Geoff:

Today’s show is Part two of our conversation with Walter Beede where we continue to talk about college recruiting, travel baseball, academic and passion.

Intro:

Welcome to another episode of The Baseball Awakening Podcast where we dive into the raw, unfiltered, unsexy side of player development. Get ready for some knowledge bombs with your host, Geoff Rottmayer.

Geoff:

Welcome to the Baseball Awakening Podcast, I am Geoff Rottmayer and today is Part two of our conversation with Walter Walter yesterday we ended our conversation, you know, talking about the Johnny boy who’s five, 1100, 20 pounds and he didn’t have the greatest skills and you talked about putting him through a college training profit type environment, you know, capturing video and proven his overall skilled because that in that first impression, you knåow, it matters and it’d be, it’d you don’t understand the process or you lack the skills. It’s going to be hard to get over that first impression. And I think a lot of parents get caught up in, at the moment, in the culture of, you know, well, if I don’t make the team or get on the team at the freshmen, it won’t be there by the time I’m a junior. And that should, that shouldn’t not true. You know, you have the spirit that you will find a place to play.

Walter:

Well, the big, the biggest thing is, is that, sorry to interrupt, the parents are led to believe that there’s a straight line between a and Z when it comes to baseball and recruiting and in such that it couldn’t be anything further from the truth. Nobody. There is nobody breathing that has the instruction manual to say, okay, if you do this, this and this, you’ll get to this point. It just doesn’t happen. And as I alluded to it, that young boy from Louisiana, all he had as a tool was that he could run really fast. He couldn’t hit a. He didn’t play in high school and this young man did not play high school baseball. I think in four years of, of, of high school baseball, he may be played between 30 and 50 competitive innings combined all four years. He didn’t play any travel baseball, but between his sophomore and senior year in high school, he kind of did. But we developed a game plan and then he went to do a postgraduate year from Louisiana, had never seen a snowflake, let alone being, you know, temperatures below 30 degrees and he ended up going to a post to do a postgraduate year, which led him to be recruited and played at the Ncaa Division One level on a team that went to a regional division one regional and oh by the way, played on the Cape and the Cape Cod League and won a silver slugger award. He couldn’t hit water if he fell out of a boat when he was a ninth grader to a, a college freshman. By the time he was a junior and senior year, he had almost 300 and the Cape League and as the division one level and played an NCAA regional. So there’s a case where you had a parent that didn’t panic, that kind of said, okay, I’m going to take a step back. I’m going to trust and believe in this kind of this, this process of evaluation and skill set development as opposed to taking, you know because just say 5,000 on the low side, $20,000 over four years of high school. I’m going to save that money and then we’re too kind of have a plan to attack the travel ball programs. It’s a business, it’s a business model. They do things this way. It’s a hamster wheel. The hamster wheel is Johnny comes in, he takes lessons from our hitting coach, takes pitching lessons from our pitching coach. Oh by the way, while we’re doing lessons, we have a travel ball team and our travel ball came costs this amount of money and we can put it. We have a spot for him on this team. It’s the 13, you blue team. You can’t play on our white team or our elite platinum team, but he can play on the blue team and well, you know, we’ll go and play all these games and we’ll do all that. And then from there, oh, by the way, we have these camps and showcases that come into our facility and coaches come in and we can, you can be a part of that. And it’s a member only or a team only event. So they sell you this hamster wheel with her of stuff that ultimately only applies to less than two percent. It’s a minor miracle for a student-athlete anywhere around the country to play college baseball. It’s a major miracle too, to play professional baseball, to become a major leaguer is you only 400 to 450. United States citizens ultimately find their way to make the play a major league game. So we start to begin to back up from that. It’s a minor miracle to play college baseball. Think of division three level athletes in Nai, athletes. They’re really talented. There are some Nai schools in Louisiana, um, that I can tell you right now. And some Juco schools in Louisiana and Texas, they can be any division one team at any given day. They have the talent, they just don’t have the depth. So we understand that from the word go and statistically the odds are not in our favor that if I think about my Jimmy or my Johnny has the desire, the passion, and there are some skill sets, okay, I need to have a plan. And where and when do you enact that plan? It should happen between the ages of 13 and 14 years old.

Geoff:

I love it. That’s the key. I have had some kids in the path that didn’t make the highest core team, but I said, look, you’ve got to keep training. You got to keep getting better. You got to keep improving the skillset and you can’t just show up the next year and hope to make it. Because kids that are on the team, they’re practicing every single day. So you gotta do what you gotta do to and you got in. The beauty of it is you got to have the structure plan as you said, and if you have that and you have this desire and the passion to play this game, they’re the plight the play, but you got to put in the work and you gotta have the right game plan and like you said, you got to have an honest evaluation as well.

Walter:

Well, the evaluation pieces, the bigger piece, a lot of parents do not know where to go to get that done and in today’s technology-driven world, you know, parents have been led to believe that I can take a video of Johnny and send that to a college coach and that’ll be enough. Well sometimes as you just alluded to earlier, sometimes that’s can do more damage than do any good because you just sent the video in and it shows him weakening. His hands are leaking or it shows, you know there’s a possible injury waiting to happen from this picture is takeaway or the pitcher’s arm slot. And so you really have to know again, before you start making a video, sending a video, how to send the right video. What the video needs to look like, what are we trying to show a college coach? There’s just so more, so much more involved than statistics on a page and a video that goes with it. This is Jimmy. He played shortstop. Here’s a video of him fielding. Here’s a video of him hitting a and we’d like to play for your school. And the same thing can be said when a parent shows up at a college camp or clinic or showcase, that’s not going to work to his advantage if you show up there and he’s not prepared, um, in his routine, uh, in a skill sets to be seen by that college because as you alluded to earlier as well, sometimes that does much more damage. You can do more harm when you show up at these events. And College coaches talk. It’s an industry that there are with each other, the vast majority of the time during the summer. And so they’ll say, I went to go see so and so, uh, we don’t see anything there. He’s not a guy, he’s not a guy for us. And so once that starts to go, it’s kind of becomes news to every college goes like, hey, avoid that guy. He’s not a guy just talked to so and so, and they just said he’s, he’s not our kind of guy. So, you know, that’s why parents really need to know at a very early age, you know, am I in this, am I in this to win it? Is this a situation where it’s going to benefit my son? And that’s the question you really need to ask whether it’s a lesson, whether it’s a, you know, a camp, what’s a travel team, uh, what’s in this for my son? Is this going to benefit my son? In what way is this going to benefit my son? Um, and if it doesn’t come back, you know, the answer doesn’t come and say, okay, he’s going to learn, um, that he needs, you know, there’s going to be a real evaluation that we’re going to get, not a generic evaluation, then you shouldn’t be participating in that event. Um, you shouldn’t participate on that travel team if you’re not getting constructive criticism, constructive feedback because there’s no way at 14 years old anyone can look a guy, a parent or a student-athlete in the eyes and say your son is going to be the starting shortstop at that school by the time he was a senior in high school because we don’t know who he’s competing against. And that’s kind of the end game. Meaning, if you don’t know, if I can’t tell Jimmy Johnny who he’s competing against, if I can’t show him who he’s competing against, then we’re doing him a disservice. He has to know who he’s running this race with, who he’s running this race against, and what it’s gonna look like in the next, for the next seven years. You know, you go to high school and college, uh, you know, uh, from a 13 to 14-year-olds are, he’s going to know, look at them physically. I gotta get in the weight room, you know, look at them athletically. I gotta make sure I’m athletically balanced. Um, you know, making sure if you know, multi-sport athletes as a case with Kyla Marie, I mean, we don’t want to make machines or robots. What we want to do is we want to be athletic. You know, I’ve seen so many parents that have become what I call tin soldiers, uh, were over coaching. We’re over coaching young baseball players. We’re not letting them fall and not letting them fail. Um, and you know, there’s not an answer for every mishap in baseball. We swing and miss. Well, it doesn’t mean you did anything wrong. It just means that the pitcher won that round. You need to be ready for round two, um, you know, you, you got, you gave up a home run. Well, that happens. Barrels are going to find that way to baseballs, but we’re, we’re, we’re in an industry now where everybody thinks they have the answer to the solution when in reality, baseball is just a game of athletics as athletic moments, athletic opportunities. If you’ve prepared yourself to be in that, you’re going to be able to be competitive and that’s all that you can ask of baseball players to be competitive. I don’t need you to. If I hit a line drive at the shortstop, I’m out, but if I hit a Texas water that bounces off of the plate in front of the third baseman. Okay. I got a hit. Was I successful? Was I better because I got a hit? Or is it better when I hit the line drive to the shortstop and you know, we’re, we’re using all of this data to, you know, and I say to parents all the time, anybody that teaches son boys to play the game, if they had all the answers, the Yankees, the red sox, the Dodgers, et Cetera, they’d be hiring those people because they’re just. No Way. I’d like everybody to pitch like Roger Clemens, I’m sure the Yankees or the red sox would like to send out onto the mound 15 Roger Clemens, you know, every single day just doesn’t happen that way. And so it’s God’s ability to give you a son that gifts and then it’s his responsibility or your responsibility as a parent to take those blessings and bring them out in a competitive capacity so that your son is able to be competitive at every level that he finds himself playing the game.

Geoff:

That’s something that we are having a harder time finding the day. Is the competitiveness. The competing part. When I talk to college coaches, they say, I just want to guide that can compete.

Walter:

Well, I think the big thing is as a parent they’re always looking well defined, competing defined, competitive. To define that for me. And I said, okay, here it is in a nutshell. When your son’s strikes out with the bases, loaded a down a run and then finds himself in the field the next inning and there’s a runner on first base and as a base hit a routine base hit to him in center field. Is he keeping that, that, that batted runner? Is he keeping them off second base? Is He. Is he not going behind a, you know, base runners are. He’s still competing. Is he still involved mind wise, intellectually in the game? Is he competing for his team and you know, you may not be able to play against the best teams in the country. What if your son is still actively competing in those moments when he’s failed? Okay, now we have the beginnings of, of, of something that we can begin to work with. And the other thing is if you’re a 12-year team or 13 you team ask your coach to start playing 14-year-old games or senior old games, you know, they might say, well are we can’t do that? Well you can find events and you can go play up the division, you know, and say, look, I think we have a special of players here instead of, you know, we’re all 14 years old, let’s go and play at 16 new schedules and we might be, oh, in 50 at the end of this thing, but I guarantee you the boys are going to be better for it. So now when they’re 15, playing the 16 u level, okay, now we got something here. And again, statistics are like, uh, you know, I always say they’re like toilet paper. Statistics are flushed, know as an amateur because they don’t add up. I can’t build anything off of those statistics. Now when I get to college, those statistics, I can begin to use those if I have a desire to play it at another level. But as far as locally around your local, you know, what I call metropolitan area, that mile bubble, I call it, you might find one team, two teams in your age group that is competitive, but it’s not all about, you know, being the 70 and two team. It’s about, okay, my boys from 13 to 15 got really real. They got a lot better. And now a 16 year old is I can put them out on the showcase circuit or the or the college campus. You know, we, we don’t want boys to go out and play in these, participate in this pbr and all of these other showcase environments until such time that we know, oh boy, wait until the college code season, run away until the college coach watches him through our bolts and, or take batting practice. He’s going to love this guy. Um, you know, and that’s just the way it is. And then going back to your point before, just because Jimmy at 13 didn’t have the skillsets will suddenly he worked himself into a really physical athletic guy at 15 and 16. Now he’s a guy. Nobody cares about what he did at 12 or 13, you know. And I tell parents when I was a kid I was, I grew up in a very, very competitive environment. Little League wise in high school, Baseball Wise, men from the age of eight until 15. I never made an all-star team. I never was a starter on any team. But the one thing that I could do is I could hit. And so I just kept grinding and grinding and I was lucky because we, in my area, we had Johnny Pesky, uh, who was, uh, a legend with the Boston red sox. He just happened to live in my hometown and Johnny Pesky one time came by and watch me take batting practice. And He, and this was when I was 14, he said, kid, you can hit a ball. Backside. The Opposite, opposite field was an authority. Learn how to catch. So I went from a kid, you know, with no position, I started to play first base and I caught. But my point was I was the backup to the backup. And then by the time I was 18, I had a college scholarship opportunity and the ability to be drafted and it’s just because I loved the game and I kept working at it. And so no human being can tell your son he’s not good enough or he’s not going to get those opportunities until such time. That physical maturation, as it’s sinking up with his mental maturation. And that doesn’t happen till 18, 20 years old. So you’re only going to, if you start to listen to the negativity and the white noise from the age of 12 to 18, you know, you just got to go. You’re going to stop. You got to quit. What if you, if your son has a desire to play and the passion to practice and the ability to overcome weaknesses and want to work on weaknesses, there’ll be an opportunity for them.

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Geoff:

Right? I agree. And then also listening to the right people because there are a lot of people out there that are kind of going on the, hey, you know, ground balls are bad, you know, and, and while you know, the ground balls may not be the goal of being able to hit the ball on the ground is important, you know, and then you have the guides who cared about command, blocked, you know, stuff like that that’s not good for development. And so you gotta make sure you’re listening to the right people.

Walter:

Let me ask you a question. So back in my day, George Wade Boggs, don Mattingly, and there was a hitting guru, they called them, named Charlene and Charlene is all about, you know, a certain way of hitting and in today’s world now have the whole launch angle crew and hit fly balls. And then we have statistics now that say the shifts and infield shifts and outfield shifts and you know, radar guns and this guy goes 90 and we’ve stopped. We were over coaching in overemphasizing skillsets that aren’t for the longterm athleticism, diligent workout habits. Routine structure want, want is a very keyword within the game of baseball and so if parents understood, you know what a Santa Oh, used to lift his leg way up in the air and one Marchelle had a leg kick that was way over his head, but not everyone is going to look like that playing sport you may look entirely unorthodox, but yet the results are consistent. So the scouts will always say if the if the results are consistent, we’re not going to touch anybody, but if the results aren’t consistent we may need to make adjustments. And so that’s the key. At a very young age, I don’t need to put my thumb. I used to tell coaches that would work with my boys. I want, I don’t want your thumbprints all over my boys. I want your, your, your, you know, consistent coaching to make them the best addict capable of being. And that’s the key. Making sure your son maximize this, his athletic ability to be the best to achieve the best level of the sport that he could play it. And if that is college, so be it. If it’s professional. So be it, but travel, baseball, uh, you know, your high school baseball coach is not your enemy. Your travel baseball coach is not a baseball God. The jerseys that the boys were not magic. They’re not magic. They’re not going to transform a boy from a, a decent, from an average player to an above average player. It’s the, it’s the arrow. It’s Indian, not the Arrow. It’s the individual in the uniform, not the uniform or the equipment that makes deployer

Geoff:

I agree. The academic sides, most parents do not realize that there’s not a lot of baseballs and that’s where the academic part becomes very, very important. Not only does it, does it tell you what type of a kid you are and whether you’re disciplined and getting your work done and then, and, and working hard, but it’s going to help you get the college, you know, at the end of the day you’re going to go to college to be a student. You’re a student first and the athletic ability can help you get there. But kind of talk a little bit about the academic, the academic part, and how it all works in the process.

Walter:

What I, as I alluded to earlier on the call trading athletic ability for academic excellence. So you’re, your most parents do not understand the whole 11 points seven. Most colleges are not fully funded by the way. So you know, a parent may read, well there’s 11 points seven scholarships, well that’s only at the division one level and maybe 50 percent or 60 percent of division one schools a fully funded division two, they can offer scholarships, division three cannot. And so as a division three or a junior college, a junior college can also give a scholarship. But as a division three, you can only get a merit. Um, you know, and more and more schools now are pushing the academic component saying what kind of student, yes, they want to make sure that he’s going to be able to acclimate himself within the student environment and the curriculum at that university or college. But more importantly, that’s going to open up financial aid windows. If I know I have a three-point, oh, student and acute with an acute score of three-point, oh, or core GPA of three-point Oh, or higher and they are in ap honors or honors courses and I have a minimum of a 24 act score. Okay. Now I’m now we’re cooking with peanut oil. Here I can do something. I can work with this student. I can get him money because if you’re not a two-point zero core curriculum, core GPA, student-athlete, you’re not even considered a student. So they have four schools. Can’t even talk to you. So there’s a. and I always encourage parents to go to NCAA clearinghouse and look at all the criteria was much too much for me to give you here, but you know, you have to have a minimum, you know, based on your GPA you have to have a minimum actor sat score. And parents would say, well what do you mean he’s there? He’s throwing 93 miles an hour. Yeah. Well, he can’t get into that school through the clearinghouse. You know you got to go. If you’re a division one or two athletes, you’ve got to go through a clearinghouse and oh, by the way, when it comes to academics, you do realize that school and that I’ll throw out a school out here in New England, Endicott or Babson or a Wheaton. Uh, these are division three powerhouses nationally across the country. Those schools are 50 plus thousand dollars a year and they don’t have any baseball scholarship money. And so if your academic profile is, we can get you money. So when I talked to a parent of a student-athlete that has aspirations of playing division one and division two, division one for instance, okay, I have 11 points seven scholarships. I have a 35 man roster, a 27-minute travel roster. Of those 27 that will travel, I have to do. Or you know, I have to have eight, what they call preferred walk-ons or walk on set. Make my team, let’s say a walk-on beats out a scholarship player, which happens a. okay, now what? Oh, by the way, they didn’t tell you that that scholarship was only for one year. And if you’re not a student in good academic standing, your roster spot on the team could be jeopardized. So if you’re not a good student and you don’t have the foundation of that academic money and you’re trying to purely get, you know, a football or a basketball team, those are fully funded scholarships that are guaranteed for four years. Then you get into the whole redshirt dynamic. But when you’re, when you’re recruited baseball player schools will tell you will honor this for four years. But they did nothing in writing that says they have to. That’s to have. I’ll give you a great example. The young man that I had a really good student wanting to go to a certain school. We got all the way through the recruiting process. He couldn’t get into admissions. We could not get them through admissions. And the reason was is he got two cs as a freshman in high school to sees as a freshman in high school. And oh, by the way, they were an AP honors and ap honors English and he got a c minus and a c plus. And he could, he could throw 90 miles an hour, he was on an area code team, but oh by the way, uh, our admissions office, they know you’re a great athlete but we can’t get you through because we don’t allow those types of transcripts to get through admissions, through the athletic liaison of the admissions office. So, you know, we, we, we spend all this time talking as instructors and people within the game of baseball about skillsets and projectable and present, so forth. But when we don’t focus on his academics, and so we’re doing Jimmy and Johnny a disservice if we don’t let them know as a seventh and eighth grader that when the bell rings for your very first class, as a freshman in high school, every single thing that you do at this school is going to go on a transcript. And if you don’t know what a transcript is, here’s what a transcript is translated your, your absences, how many days you attended school, all the teacher’s feedback, all your test scores. They all are going to be extremely relevant. Well, you know, when I was a freshman I was immature. But now I’m a senior, I’m getting all straight an’s. Oh, by the way, the school that you want to go to, sorry, it’s a four-year transcript is not. It’s not, you know, I can’t wipe that out and put it in another grade because you’ve suddenly figured it out as an 18-year-old. And it’s also about study habits. You know, I spend a lot of time trying to get parents to understand, okay, your son doesn’t do. And I always ask, how much homework did you sign up? But it doesn’t have a lot. Does it in study hall at school. That’s the wrong answer. He goes, when he gets to college, and I don’t care what college you attend, your son’s going to be asked to do a heck of a lot of reading, a heck. A lot of writing, a lot of papers. So if you get into that habit now as a high school student, when you get to college, you’re going to make that transition a lot easier because you’re going to have a, a routine already established. So from an academic standpoint and how it relates to recruiting, I try to get parents to fully understand the same structure and routine that you’re worried about with regards to skill set. So as a baseball player you need to converse. We do that as a student and make sure that you’re holding them accountable, they homework to their grades and getting them to understand a school. If I get a minimum scholarship that can be offered at the Division One level is 25 percent and I try to get parents to understand, okay, if I go to a state school that 25 percent is the equivalent of saying we’ll use round numbers $2,500, $10,000 school, what if I get a $25,000 percent scholarship to go to Vanderbilt? Well, that money is going to be worth $12,000. So these are the things that parents need and saying, okay, well I got a 50 percent offer from school x because he’s a good student, but over here they’re giving me 80 percent. But their baseball program isn’t that good. Oh, by the way, that’s an ivy league school or a Patriot league school and they are giving you 80 percent as opposed to 50 percent because that school’s really good at baseball. It doesn’t. The money doesn’t add up. It’s $20,000. There were versus $45,000 over here. Um, so much that the academics play in today’s recruiting and some. I know Notre Dame, for instance, if you don’t have a 27 on your act, they don’t even recruit you. And 27 is well above average, you know, considering that 36 is a perfect score. So, parents, I don’t think to understand those numbers. So with regard to the act, 36 is a perfect score and sat, they’ve gone back to the two-part, it’s 1600. So when your son comes home and you open the envelope and it says okay, you got a 19 on your act. Okay, well I tried really hard to add and this is the best I can do. Well, we’re not even in the ballpark to some schools at 19 we need a 22 or higher at 23 or higher. The same thing with a Sat, you know, 900 with a three slash 70 in math, that’s not going to get it done and we can’t get into the schools that you have on your list. Um, school’s athletic programs often clash with admissions because even though the athletic teams want these student-athletes admissions that held accountable and they’re held to a higher standard and whether you’re being told that is not at an early age, you’re going to fall off a cliff by the time you get to be a junior and senior figure out the school that really loves you and you really love. You can’t get in or can you get any money because the criteria you don’t meet the academic criteria. Um, a lot of those questions can be answered academic wise as far as various criteria at various NCAA and nai school on the NCAA clearinghouse in the Nai clearinghouse. I’m now on the Internet

Geoff:

that, you know, from, from, from the time that you get the high school, the transcript has everything on there. You know, there’s a lot of, there’s a lot of kids that go into high school and kind of blow off that first year if they, oh well I’ll do, I’ll just recover it later, but it’s not like that. So I appreciate you saying that. You know, um, you know, Walter, I’m just kind of noticing the time. So the kind of wrap that up. Can you talk a little bit about the passion side? You know, because I know your son is at the big league level, so you’ve got the sleep Berghain on maybe some of the sacrifices that he had to make and what that passion means. The. Can you talk a little bit about the passion side?

Walter:

My oldest one is just as talented, if not more so than my youngest one when he was, but he made a decision that I hanging around my buddies and you know, all the social activities that go on with being a 13 to 18-year-old young man, a young boy in today’s world and he just didn’t have the same passion or the drive for the sport. And my youngest one, you know, things like we were away on summer, um, you know, we’d be in California, we’d be in Texas. Um, yeah, he’d missed pool parties, he’d missed weekend getaways with his buddies, uh, you know, any type of social activities. And to that point he would say to me, dad, I don’t even hang around with my friends. I, I leave here in June. I don’t come back August and it’s football season. And there are boys that think they have a passion for the game. And then there are boys where you can see how their eyes light up when you’re getting coaching. So passion is not dictated or predicated and based on what the parents want. And I always will say to a parent the day that your son wants to be the best, as much as you want him to be the best, that’s when things will change. And so if you can kind of use that phrase, the day that your son wants it more than you do, wants to be the best that he can be more than you want him to be the best. That’s when you know he’s ready and that’s when, you know he’s prepared to be coached at a higher level because most boys, let’s face it, for the age of 16 or 17 and they have to be driven, they have to be driven to lessons, they have to be driven to the practices, the games, et cetera. And so, you know, I always will say to a parent, if Jimmy is pulling your hand to get you to take him to practice, that’s a great sign if you’re pulling his hand to get them to go to practice this trouble on alley one. And so that’s real passion is all about, you know, a boy. And the other thing is how much baseball does your son watch on television? Well, you know, he doesn’t really watch a lot of. Does he play video games? Oh, he plays a ton of video game. Okay. There is the other side of this equation. Watching Games, watching practices of those people that are elite or at their craft, their positional craft. That’s what helps boys through emulation come stimulation, you know, and you don’t want to emulate or be robotic. And try to become the next Bryce harper or Manny Machado or, or, or those types of guys. You want them to be stimulated to the point where they say, okay, I watched Bryce Harper today take batting practice on a video I’m going to work on, you know, maybe get me a heavier training that are, you know, that’s when the passion begins to sync up. And again, it might not happen. So 13, 14, in some cases it might not happen, so 16 or 17. But when that moment comes with a Belle, the rocky moment comes where, Hey dad, I really want this and I want to get to the gym every day. I want to go get evaluated. Okay, now we have something to work on. That passion, that’s a desire, a commitment to the cause, his cause, um, you know, going forward.

Geoff:

Awesome, well Walter this has been a great conversation. I really appreciate, appreciate you coming on.

Walter:

Geoff. Thank you for asking. You requested. It’s been. I enjoyed talking about this stuff and anything I can ever do for you or anybody else in the future. Happy to help.

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I am Geoff Rottmayer, Thank you for listening to our conversation on The Baseball Awakening Podcast. Stay tuned for a recap show tomorrow.