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Goata Movement Systems with Gary Sheffler
Welcome to The Baseball Awakening Podcast, where we dive into the raw, unfiltered, unsexy side of player development
Gary Sheffler, owner of GLS Training Facility in Lousiana and Master Goata Coach
On this episode, Host Geoff Rottmayer sits down with Gary Sheffler
Show Notes: In this conversation, Gary talks about:
- The backstory of how Goata Movement System came to be.
- How it all got started with watching Michael Jordan walk.
- How traditional training train guys out of the Goata Pattern.
- What their Goata Assessment process looks like and what they are trying to accomplish.
- What their corrective process looks like.
- What is needed before they can get into the performance side of things.
- Baseball being a rotational sport and the need to train more into the the rotational movement.
- How we combat our sitting culture while trying to correct movements.
- How the Goata movement will clean up pitching and hitting mechanics.
- What the industry response has been with the Goata training principles.
- What the difference between, in-season- pre-season and off-season training.
- Some of Gary best resources.
- and much more.
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– Transcript –
Geoff Rottmayer: 00:00 On today’s show we have on Gary Scheffler, owner of GL at training facility as well as the Goda master coach and we are talking about the Goda movement system.
Intro: 00:13 Welcome to another episode of the baseball awakening podcast where we dive into the raw unfiltered unsexy side of player development. Get ready for some knowledge bombs with your OST Jeff, Ron Meyer.
Geoff Rottmayer: 00:34 He the GL, the owner of GL training facility in Louisiana as well as the go to master coach code. Gary started off as an explosive exercise coach who understood body mechanic and insert for more knowledge found coach Gill and the go to movement systems. Since then he had learned how to implement the go to into into a teaching coach. Gary had trained countless athletes, super athletes in that time and that proven time and again to help athletes achieve D one scholarship and become hugely successful. Gary, how are you sir?
Gary Sheffler: 01:17 I’m good. How are you?
Geoff Rottmayer: 01:19 I’m doing good man. I’m looking forward to some. Some go to talk, so, so gay. I was on Instagram several months ago and I started to come across a bunch of these, go to pictures, I mean, and they were everywhere. And so I decided to give you guys a follow and I really started to kind of pay attention and that led me to purchasing you guys’ book, which did really kind of your origin story and then kind of some of the principle that you guys are using and you know, it, it’s different. I’m not quite sure I know what I know. So this should be an interesting conversation because normally I get a feel for how the conversation’s going to go, but I’m not sure I’m going to, that’s going to be the case here. So we’re just gonna kind of let this flow. But let’s just kinda start with, with, with what Goda is and how it all started and came together.
Gary Sheffler: 02:11 Okay. Um, so to go to movement system, it’s an acronym for the greatest of all time actions, which create the greatest of all time athletes. Um, so a little history just to kind of give you my business partner, Jose BOSH, about 20 years ago, he kept having these back episodes and, um, you know, he went down the natural rabbit hole that everybody goes down and went to the doctors, went to the therapists and, and, um, you know, he just, it kept getting worse. It wasn’t getting better. And, uh, so he started seeking an alternative to surgery cause they wanted to go put some metal in his back and all of that. And, um, he was, uh, you know, just kept kind of going through the same little circuits, the same cycles and nothing was changing. So, um, he found PD, God skew, who’s actually one of the mentors of our program who had these a shape and alignment concepts.
Gary Sheffler: 03:14 And, um, so that’s kind of where it all started with, with, with, with posture and stuff like that. Now, what would happen is, is when Gilly, we’d go, we call him coach Gill, coach Kelly, Jose. But, um, when he would go play golf and things like that, he would, he would still have these little backups. So, so he knew it wasn’t in completely all about shaping alignment. He knew that there was something about the movement, well for the next, you know, few years or whatever, he just kind of dealt with it and kept trying to find, you know, he read a lot of books and stuff like that. Well, in 2012 and, and the iPad came out, so when the iPad came out, he was able to take the iPad and started looking at, um, some indigenous cultures and he was watching a commercial one day with Michael Jordan and he seen something in the jaws.
Gary Sheffler: 04:11 So he kinda kind of re he had it like, I guess right whenever you could start rewinding you it television or whatever and kind of rewind it. And he took his iPad out. He, he videoed it and he started watching with Jordan’s knees was doing and what would his feet with doing and what his head was doing and all of this stuff. And, um, it kind of was in his mind, but he didn’t know what, I opened the, uh, performance facility in 2014, 2015 to about 2014. And as soon as I opened up, he came to me and he’s like, listen, you’re destroying your athletes. And I’m like, he’s like, you’re destroying your athletes, all Olympic lifting and all of this stuff like that. And this is why my back was a problem. So I was like every other strength coach or every other train or conditioning expert and all, I got the ego and all of that stuff like that.
Gary Sheffler: 05:04 So, uh, you know, I kind of didn’t want to hear it at first. And then he called me up again and he was like, man, listen, he called me out on Facebook cause what he did. And, um, I was like, all right, well if you know so much, then come on over and, um, I’ll give you an athlete to work with that’s having some trouble. Well, we cleaned the guy out quick and um, he didn’t really, it wasn’t really Goda at the time. Um, it, it was, it was kinda the beginning of it. Like it was the, it was, uh, it was, he had some foundation principles and stuff like that. Then once I saw what he did, I started sending some of my athletes to him to do corrective exercise. I gave him a little office in my facility and he started working out of there and it was an option for the athletes.
Gary Sheffler: 05:55 Well in 20, I’d say 16 or something like that. Jamal cheese, who’s a big receiver right now at LSU, he hurt himself now. He was my big kid now. It was more of a scare. He had a thing where you missed like four or five games. It was something to do with like, um, he had a little, a patella issue or something like Dominicus issue, I’m sorry. And I was like, this kid’s going to be a first round draft pick if he stays healthy. I knew, I mean he’s six, 295 pounds. He had a 38 inch vertical. Like he had all the makeups. The only thing that could happen is he could get hurt. When he did get hurt, ascending mughelli we started recoding what we call, we didn’t know what we were calling it at the time. It then I started picking up the iPad and started investing all my time and everything that Gilly mentored me into and we really developed the go to movement system.
Gary Sheffler: 06:50 So, um, Jamal, I knew that I couldn’t do nothing but hurt you more at that point. And I knew I had to make some changes and I had to step back because you know, if my goal is to help my athletes and help my clients. So we picked up Dialpad, started studying all the injuries, that non-contact injuries. We started looking at the ed reads, the Deon say all of these super duper athletes that play at a high level. It basically was, you know, pretty much injury-free their whole career. They avoided the, the non repetitive stress injury. And, and now it’s, I mean we probably between the two of us got about 10,000 hours of slow motion video and about five or six different items. And so now it’s, you know, now we take, we take your pattern, we compare it to the best, which is the same pattern that’s consistent in the way that a baby crawls. The crawling derivatives are very similar. The way the baby rotates and uses, it’s fine in the tips to the indigenous communities all the way to the 70 year old marathon runner that still runs a, a a non minute mile at 65 70 years old. It’s, it’s crazy because now it’s become, not only are we getting the average Joe out of pain, but we’re creating these kids with these, I mean we got a couple of guys running in the four tubes for threes and the athleticism is side effects of it.
Geoff Rottmayer: 08:19 Wow. So, so you covered some stuff there and you know, it’s luck that you got called out on Facebook, but I get that leading you to what you had to do or now. So. So that’s cool. You know, so I think it’s interesting that this whole thing started with watching Michael Jordan walk in a commercial. What, what, what, what was he doing? What were you guys seeing in the way that he would walk into, lead you to discovery?
Gary Sheffler: 08:48 Well, and so, so basically what happened when, when John would, John walks, when, when he, it’s, it’s when he steps, it’s always a straight foot. He always had his, his uh, we call it second [inaudible] street. So it kind of looks like he was a little pigeon till it a little bit sometimes. Um, and, and what would happen is the knee would start out, but it would flash in, well it flashed in when the candidate, there was like a heel released when the heel moved away. So, so naturally any kind of valgus or anything like that was always a no, no. Any kind of, um, the knee moving inward was a no, no, but we couldn’t see it. Like we saw it with the video and, um, that pattern became consistent and everything that we saw. So we saw ed redo it. Uh, you know, he saw it happened in indigenous cultures and, and, and it, and it took a lot like it took, you know, sitting and watching some indigenous guys knee move for an hour. You know, one frame at a time. It took a lot to develop with this is yeah. And that that was what was, you know, was dental resting but couldn’t see it. What else? Slow motion video. You had to have it.
Geoff Rottmayer: 10:06 Okay. So, so it started with the feet, which what’s consistent with all of the, the great that you guys have studied and this kind of led you got down the road of kind of challenging what you guys knew, which can be a pretty scary thing. So, so let’s talk about the traditional training, you know, and, and, and how, or what about it gets in the way of guys or get them out of the go to pattern that we’re all born with. [inaudible]
Gary Sheffler: 10:35 yeah. So me being in on the training side of everything and started looking into a lot of these non contacts and things like that. So when you, when you go into the gym and there’s this kind of two elements that happen. So the Olympic lifting and the power lifting, if, if the positioning of the feet is not right, then it teaches or stimulates the brain to drop force outside of the gait pattern. So what happens is is you know, you go into the off season and you start doing your Olympic lifting. They got power lifting, you know, somebody programs all like, like we don’t Olympic lift at all. We created exercises. Uh, we use sort of maxes and different, there’s different tools that we have now that we don’t have to open the feet up into that wide base. So the consistency was when we would see some of these guys break down and change directions instead of them being inside those Egoscue, PT gossip columns, which PT Gosky was John Lynch’s movement coaching junior sales, I’m sorry, alignment coach with win when you would, when you would see these guys step real wide and force into the ground outside of the hip.
Gary Sheffler: 11:55 It didn’t need collapses. It did me Ted ACL for no reason. Well, we started looking at what was happening on the back end of all the Olympic lifting, the feet being externally rotated, the wide base and all of that, stuff like that. Well it was the same position is a lot of these DBS would get hurt and stuff like that. Um, some guys, uh, starting to develop concepts where they say, well, we’re gonna train that because if you do, if you do that movement and that’s how we get hurt, well maybe we could strengthen ourselves in that pattern. Well, you can’t do that. It’s not, it’s not something that’s, that can be done because if all the injuries happen that way, why would you even introduce that movement patterns, that athlete. So it kinda took the video process. We’ve got videos of guys tearing the ACL, like the moment that it’s happening and they’re all in all, all looks like, like the same movement that happens in some of the pop, I mean, some of the Olympic lifting. So we knew that we had to find another way to generate that force into the ground and generate that explosion into the hip with the hips without being why Bates.
Geoff Rottmayer: 13:12 That makes sense. That’s interesting. Now you got me thinking, so, so can you take us through your assessment process?
Gary Sheffler: 13:23 Our assessment process. We do a static assessment and we do a run and walk assessment, a squat assessment, a hands assessment. We take in every kind of derivative that they could possibly use on the field. We checked that out. So you know, you got pre movement fundamentals, you got shape, alignment and posture. And that’s why all the gospel method was so important was because you know, if you think of the body as from a carpenter’s perspective, uh, you’ve got two columns, a left and right column level, ankles level, knees level, hips level, shoulders. If everything stacks properly, gravity can beat you up to begin with. So if you take some body that’s like hypothetically LeBron James, a Zion Williams ions, a big issue right now because we’re from new Orleans and he’s in the area, he’s got externally rotate. If he hangs out outside his columns is his hips are on level, his FEMA has a stuck in external rotation and they in there right now he’s hitting his meniscus beat up when he’s playing because he moves bad. So that assessment process will tell us if they even can take a step yet. So we have protocols that we bill that are to put you back into these PR, into this proper alignment. And we do that with our athletes before we even allow them to step onto the Intel training facility on, on the performance out of everything. So that’s the first thing.
Geoff Rottmayer: 14:52 Yeah. So when you say a, the corrective stuff, and sorry if this is obvious, um, you’re talking about the mobility of the joint end, the lengthening of the muscle, right?
Gary Sheffler: 15:05 Yeah. So you pre movement fundamentals, all your shape and alignment. Uh, the second one is back chain dominance meeting. Uh, if you take a kid that’s his columns have messed up, he’s probably what we call front chain dominant. In other words, his, his hips may push into the front chain. His shoulders in his head, may sit more on the front side of his body and he’s not carrying everything through space properly. So those joints bio-mechanically are not allowed to function properly. So you get a regular loading and the joints and things like that and you start developing asymmetrical muscle patterns and things like that. And then the other thing, the other free movement fundamental is suppleness, which is your flexibility, your mobility and stuff like that. So we use guys like drew Brees as an example of somebody that sits and he’s, he’s always stretching and he’s, he’s got this little ritual he does before the game and, and um, he stays healthy. I mean, he’s got 300 pound Lomb and falling on him every week. And I mean other than some contact injuries, you know, with the thumb recently it showed the [inaudible], you know?
Geoff Rottmayer: 16:09 Yeah. So, you know,
Gary Sheffler: 16:12 three free, those three pre movement fundamentals have to be in order before they really could start sprinting and all of that stuff.
Geoff Rottmayer: 16:20 Okay. So, so that makes sense then. And interesting as I tried to process what, what you’re saying. So we have the shape and alignment, the back chain dominant, and then the supper, which is the flexibility and the mobility part. What’s, what is the, what does the process look like in terms of cleaning this stuff up and then getting into the performance side of things.
Gary Sheffler: 16:49 Um, some of that’s for sale. So kinda some of it’s our secret sauce, you know what I’m saying? We got coaches that are coming in to get certified and things like that. But some of it’s mobility drills. Some of it’s um, you know, uh, just different little exercises to so reprogrammed the nervous system where to put the feet and things like that.
Geoff Rottmayer: 17:13 Okay. Okay. So, so let’s, let’s talk from baseball, um, baseball being a rotational sport. Correct. So, um, from my assumption is that if a player doesn’t have the GOTA movement pattern, you know, which is the, the shape and the alignment, the bat chain, uh, dominant and the protectability and mobility, then we will potentially have a performance issue. So what do you commonly see with baseball players?
Gary Sheffler: 17:47 It’s the Bay, the Bay, the, with a lot of the baseball workouts. All is they are daring as high rotation or you just said we’re a rotational sport, which is true. You’re a thrower, you’re a runner. All of that’s done in rotation. But then they go into off season and they bench press and the military press and they do crunches and they, they do these um, um, uh, just different non rotational exercises. And then, um, if you get a kid that’s pre cornered in his shoulders, meaning his posture is bad and he showed us kind of sit more to the front side, which is very, very, very big right now. It’s a major reason why we got 12 year olds having Tommy John surgery and tearing the UCLS and tearing chunks of their bone off their elbow. Because what happens is they got some travel ball coach that’s gonna pitch him every weekend and pitch him during the week at practice and he’s out of alignment.
Gary Sheffler: 18:46 And then as he gets in the high school, he starts bench pressing. So when that, when those shoulders ain’t where they need to be and you’re doing front side and non rotational exercises, it pulls the shoulders even further into the front chain and the in the, and the athlete starts to stress the elbow out. Now you got a few places like, um, we’ve had a few guys come from, um, uh, I know that the Texas baseball ranch, I don’t know if you ever heard of them, but they’re trying, they kind kinda on the verge. They figured some things out with, I think they use terms like late launch and stuff, but I elbows out of position when they’re throwing the ball. So the stress goes into the elbow. So they kind of, they kind of see in these things cause they’re starting to use, they’re using slow motion video and things like that.
Gary Sheffler: 19:31 And um, so he kinda figured some stuff out. Well it’s, it’s, it’s really most of the baseball stuff that I’ll see him, nothing to do with baseball. It’s all to do with the posture and what they’re doing in the weight room. That’s the terminal. You know, I remember being a kid and play like all day, every day in the summer. Like baseball was what I played. So like, you know, and then playing games that night at DePaul in the guy that pitched at the park, he pissed all day. Whether we played Woelfel ball or we, we, we, we, we’ve made a tape ball with aluminum fall on the inside of it. Whatever it was we played all day. Nobody has elbow trouble. Yeah. I don’t remember that. You, you know, it’s in, I think it’s because as a society we was different. Like we had PE, we had recess, we did play multiple sports.
Gary Sheffler: 20:30 That can be a fact. If you get a guy that’s playing basketball, he’s doing a lot of overhead stuff. So he’s using different back muscles. The movements are a little different. Um, and, and that’s what I think a lot of these guys like James Andrews and the Andrews Institute and stuff like that, they’re saying play multi sports because they know that that athlete that does, they think along them when really you take the baseball players and you give them the proper workouts to combat the throw in motion and keep them in alignment, they’ll be safe the whole time. Anyway.
Geoff Rottmayer: 20:58 So, so you mentioned several time throughout this conversation and I repeated it, but can you explain a little bit more about what alignment is?
Gary Sheffler: 21:08 So, so your alignment is your feet underneath the hips, not about maybe you know, a fist with the Pollock you walk the same way you walk in that pattern. Um, and then the shoulders, the glutes sit about three degrees behind the spine. So if you look at like the crawling baby, the baby’s got a long decompressed spine and he’s driven by his glutes and his hamstrings. Well you take an athlete that’s out of alignment and he’s externally rotated. His feet are too wide in his base and his hips push fall with, well his whole backside tie that cause it’s in a shelter position and then when he goes to throw a ball, his shoulders are sitting in the front side out of alignment and you don’t have no range of motion in his shoulders. So he can’t even get the off the hand back to get the ball where it needs to be. And then he starts getting distressed on the elbow. See it’s gonna create negative energy. You have it. See that’s one thing when you move in rotation, just like anything else in nature, a hurricane or tornado, there is a release of energy. The energy that’s being created has to go somewhere. And if it don’t come out that hand with the baseball or the back heel with the leg, then that energy is going to come out. One of them joints. And when it starts coming out in the elbow, then you start having a lot of problems.
Geoff Rottmayer: 22:29 Interesting. So we live in an excit where we sit a lot. How, how tough is it to get these kids into this? Go to pattern, the, the alignment and the back caning and, and being supple.
Gary Sheffler: 22:48 Yeah. It’s tough because what happens with the sit and derivatives is 95% of the time the femur head gets locked up in the hip and it gets stopped. So you’ll see a kid that’s standing and he’s looking at you and his toes and his knee capsule pointed out instead of action. Now we get some kids that may sit on a hip a certain way and maybe cross their legs when he put one on that flight or something like that. And those kids start to develop what we call a lower leg discrepancy. So then their foot may be straight, but then kneecap points out sort of femur sucking. Next term, the rotation, but the fetus street or vice versa, the foot could be out a little bit and the kneecap could be straight. So we have protocols that we’ve developed to fix all of that. So in other words, we’ve got people that have come in here and they were like, I went to the doctor and the doctor told me they got a break, break my leg and reset.
Gary Sheffler: 23:46 And we like, that’s insane. Cause whatever’s been, unless you have some kind of handicap or something like that, whatever’s been done could be on top or whatever’s been undone could be redone. You know what I’m saying? We just, we just kind of figured out the exercises to use it to do it. And with a lot of people think is that when they see something skeletal that’s not right, they think that that’s permanent. See your muscular system dictates a lot of the way that your alignment is. So if you get a guy that’s been sitting in a certain weight problems in a call with Tom and he’s 50 years old and he’s going through CrossFit, he’s going to get low on back thing, eventually his back or his hips, it’s gonna hurt. So when that guy comes in here, we decompress the spine, we do active and passive decompression and we send him back out into the world with no pain.
Gary Sheffler: 24:33 Now if he goes back into those habits and he, you see, the biggest thing that we’ve been giving our athletes as an education, we’re teaching them about their body. I had um, ever brulee’s a, um, he’s a, um, he’s alarm back that had Mississippi state. I’m reading the Andrew reports and uh, he, he, he popped up on injury report file disclosed. So I called him up. I’m like, what you going on? And he’s like, well, at the end of the game I’ll tweak my hamstrings. And I was like, well, what happened? He said, well, coach, it was the first cold weather that we really had. I didn’t, I kind of went in there cold water. Like in other words, he knows now he knows the things to look for that created debt. Now the good thing is, is that when you move like a Godo, when you have this action inside your body, like a Michael Jordan or ed Reed, you can tweak your hamstring. And if you’re 20 years old, your regeneration process is still real strong. So you back on the field in two days, whereas if you don’t move right and you tweak your hand strength that the regeneration process can save you. So you see, you see it’s an epidemic in the NFL right now. Go look at the hamstring injuries that they got. He couldn’t, these guys got duck feet, they got duck feet, they be in the gym, they strengthening that system instead of fixing it and then strengthening.
Geoff Rottmayer: 25:49 Let’s uh, but let’s go back and let’s, uh, let’s, let’s talk about a pitcher.
Gary Sheffler: 25:56 I’ve been working with Tyson Ross if you want to use him. Sure. Yeah. Tyson had a issue with his neck where, um, they went in. Um, but I think it was a couple of years ago, a year ago, and they snipped the nerve cause his hand was going on. We couldn’t really hold a baseball like he should. Well, what it was was he was out of alignment. His shoulder was some down. Um, you know, the, the exercises he was doing in the gym was a lot of anti rotational stuff. And they, you know, I mean, the, the goal too was surgery all the time instead of, you know, they probably tried some, some rehab type stuff. Um, now he’s feeling way better. He’s gonna start throwing in November again and um, what we call a completely changes alignment. I, the way he moves, I changed, you know, all his, his, um, he looks, he, he, he even the other day sent me a message like, coach, I look like a athlete now, you know, so he, he’s feeling it. Go ahead.
Geoff Rottmayer: 26:58 And this was done through the improvement of the movement, the, the adopting of the, the Goda pattern, not so much the mechanics of the delivery.
Gary Sheffler: 27:10 Absolutely. So his, his problem was pretty movement fundamentals. He was Tron chain dominant. His shoulder was pre cornered. Um, and that happens with a lot of these baseball guys. Um, they got a guy, Tim something or something. Maybe he was the, um, a blue Jays pitchy towards UCL. I wanna say, um, probably about a month ago he had, he had a pretty severe injury. He was a mess. Like when you would see him standing there, you would see him, his pinky would be more in front of his body than his tone. So we know that that shoulder was stuck. And um, but, but so from the pitching aspect, what you’re saying about the injury and all it happens because they throw, you know, I mean even though that they’re only put on maybe what a five day rotation or something like that, they still throwing some bullpens here and there too.
Gary Sheffler: 28:05 So anytime you get something that’s out of alignment and you go and you feed that front side or the front chain or you know, the, the, the, the internal rotation of the hand, um, it, it develops it stronger and it’s just pulls you down more and more into that position. So when we clean that up, it’s like a set, it don’t even really have a whole lot to do with baseball. They could go back and throw like they want and as long as they do the exercises that we give them to combat what they’re doing on the field and the pain goes away. I got, I got an ALM camp program that I use. I don’t put about 20 baseball players through it. I ain’t never seen one of them again cause they again, they get the education, we give them what they need, we give them the, the, the inflammation to protect themselves.
Geoff Rottmayer: 28:53 W would you mind sharing what, what that looks like?
Gary Sheffler: 28:57 Well, it’s a lot of shoulder mobility and strengthening and stuff like that. You got, you got some, some people that, that um, some therapists and all that, that, that kind of do some of the similar stuff. Um, but that’s basically what it consists of. We actually, I got off, I got a um, a program on, uh, you know, it’s all, it’s all on the scaps too because what happens is once, once that, that shoulder starts to sit into the front side and they don’t get that scap load. So like if you look at a Chapman that throws for the Yankees or whatever, he feels like one Oh six or something like something crazy like that. When he, when he ran his back, he loads his group, his glue and he packs his, his, his right shoulder. He loads that scap up. It didn’t, he lets it go.
Gary Sheffler: 29:49 Now if you look at him as it looks like he got soft balls on his shoulders, he’s got the frame, he’s gotten his fronts. You know, he’s a big strong back team doc, back chain, Dominic guy. And you know, a lot of it could be, you know, where he grew up with it. I mean he’s, he probably didn’t have, well not probably, we know he didn’t have the luxuries that you have here, you know, so he, he gets, he gets, um, kinda demographics could dictate a lot too as to what kind of health that you’re in. So you take a kid that’s got a whole bunch of money and he’s got all the video games and little, you know, fancy of me, my gold call and suddenly sit in a lot. And they playing games a lot with a kid that might have a stick in a tennis ball is going outside and just play, you know. [inaudible] and then the problem is too is we take these kids, I look, I’ve got five kids so I know when my, my little ones are cutting up my inlaws and my, my parents were gonna stick iPad and they Hey. And I’m like, no, let them run around. I’d rather them destroy the house than them can be crippled when they older.
Geoff Rottmayer: 31:01 Okay. So let’s say you get a kid that had great alignment. He’s got that back chain dominant and he’d supple with the flexibility and joints. Um, what do you do with them?
Gary Sheffler: 31:14 We blow them up. We put them on a turf. We put resistance bands on them. We pull sleds, we push sleds. We, we, we do, we do. Everything is done in rotation. Yeah, we don’t, we don’t, we, I could, I could do broad jumps with, with a, with a Vertiv max and generate the same thing they trying to do with a power cleans for an example. I’ve got different exercises that I use with land mines and stuff that generates explosion. Just the location of the feed is crucial to keep the athlete in alignment. Now people go, we hear it all the time. Well, you know, athletes get outside of those columns at times they do, and that’s why the indigenous community was so important was because these guys are running a marathon every day to feed their family. So when they get out and they go on the haunt or they go on these, these little journeys to find food for the next two or three days, when they run in through the brush or whatever they go through, they’re traveling around.
Gary Sheffler: 32:14 A board might come out from behind a Bush. Well, they got jump over it and they got to Dodge it and they got to do whatever it may be that they make adjustments on the fly in the nervous system has the ability to do that because the brain is always gathering information. Now if something’s hurt, that signal to the brain is, I got pain, I got pain, so the focus is gone. You look at our running back that’s hurt or you look at, um, I mean you might even see it on a baseball field. You get a guidance nursing, some kind of repetitive stress injury and he comes up and he misses a ground ball, not, not hours, half. And I get it. But you’re talking about, you know, you got guys that played that, that was that never, they didn’t have all these arrows.
Gary Sheffler: 32:58 They weren’t consecutive Indians without errands. You see guys and I’ll feel roofs focus on a ball or something like that. And sometimes it can be the sunlight or thing, but when the nervous system is protected and it is functioning properly, the stare is no pain signal come into the brain. So there is a clarity that’s involved that they not focusing on the pain, they’re focusing on the play or they’re gathering that information like the indigenous guy does that runs through the, I mean, and it was, the thing is the proof is in this. Like you can’t have plantar fasciitis and be five miles from home hunting a tie though. You know what I’m saying? You can’t have a bad lower back or something like that and you’re out there, you’re trying to kill a pig or something to feed your family, it don’t work. Then you got to bring it home, you know, so, so the Hunter gatherer was very important.
Gary Sheffler: 33:51 Now Ricky stands, he’s one of our guys. He is like an indigenous guru. Like he knows every little thing about every tribe and all that. Still out there in the world today. Know he studied, he’s done a lot of study and with all of that, um, we do have a baseball guy, Cody woods that does a lot of um, baseball training and stuff. He’s in Montana or he’s got to think whole Montana movement and he’s go to certified rep, he’s go to go to certified. And those guys are on the athletic side of everything. Um, you know, I’ve wrote some strength programs. We got, we got to high school in Ohio. That’s the first high school that we’ve ever reprogrammed for their football team. We, they, we went down, we went in there, we sat with their strength coaches and we came up with a plan and we showed them what we want to do and they’re actually their numbers on their flying tens and their verticals and all is going up right now and they’re going to compete for state championship.
Gary Sheffler: 34:53 So usually in season these guys don’t get better. They usually maintain. These guys are getting better right now. So we know that the system works and we just got our first baseball team that’s completely signed in one of the little schools around here and the new Orleans area, Patrick Taylor. It’s a technology school. The kids in the school, that act, the average is like 27 28 so it was great to get them because when we sat there and started explaining everything to them, the light bulbs were turning on. Like it wasn’t like talking to your average 15 year old. You know what I’m saying? Like these kids are so highly intelligent. When they saw it, they were like, okay, this one makes sense. So it didn’t, once, once you start feeling good, your kinesthetic intelligence tells you I’m not doing the bad stuff no more. I’m gonna keep doing what’s feeding. Is this, this good feeling
Geoff Rottmayer: 35:51 Gary? Yeah, the fear here and try to process this. Um, my kind of feel like I’m jumping around a little bit and maybe not asking the next logical question, but um, but anyways, let the but, but let’s just talk about the industry as a whole. What has the respond been ad you’ve been educating them?
Gary Sheffler: 36:14 So naturally, every strength coach that we’ve spoken to, um, at the major universities with the exception of maybe like a SMU, I mean we’ve been to all of them, LSU, Alabama, you, well they all find it interesting, but a lot of these guys are what we just call cognitively entrenched in what they’re doing. They’ve had success with what they’ve done. They take injury as, um, just something that happens. Non-contact injury is quote unquote freak injuries. Um, and we know differently now when we kind of expose them to it and they like, okay, y’all own the something. And then when you say, well, they said, well, how do you, how do you implement this into the program? And you say, well, we’re gonna supplement your Olympic lifting with something else. And they go, Oh no, no, no, no, no, you crazy. We not doing that. And then, and then it’s like, well, even though you give them visual evidence of it, because that’s the beauty of Golda, it’s observation base.
Gary Sheffler: 37:23 We didn’t, we didn’t make up some concept or something like that. We took in observe everything. Everything’s observation. So I mean, I don’t have any education. I’m not certified in anything. I don’t have no degree or anything. But I’m training doctors every day. Yeah. I’m trained in physical therapists every day because you do have some people that know, you know, they, they see it, they want you to see it kind of like what’s happening with you. Yeah. See and this, and it’s hard to look away from now because it makes too much sense. Right. And it’s visual evidence. So you get anybody that could sit there in kind, thanked for their self outside of what they know. It’s, it’s kinda hard not to do it. Yeah. So, and I do have, it’s crazy. I got to like some of the local football teams and high school’s baseball players and stuff that coaches all kind of send them over yes to get fixed and then they’ll say, man look, go check them out.
Gary Sheffler: 38:20 He might be able to help you out. And then the kid goes back and he said yeah. Then another kid comes over cause the word of mouth thing starts to happen. And then they like, you know, I’ve got kids that was doing 10 and 12 weeks of physical therapy and now be back on the football field with no problems back on the basketball court with no problems back on the, on the mound or back on the, you know, and some of it happens in three to five days. Some of it’s you know, couple of weeks. But generally we are, packages are eight to 10 sessions and generally we don’t see those people again. We do the online stuff, we train them up. I haven’t met Tyson Ralston person, I’ve been working with him online, FaceTime. And then given him the workouts doing, you know, just keep doing run assessments every couple of days. And look you were saying you was all over the place with it. We are to me and Gillies both ADHD, we will talk about one thing one minute and come back to it an hour later. So well you fit right in with us.
Geoff Rottmayer: 39:21 Yeah, yeah. No, I mean, yeah. And I’ll go back and listen and uh, I’ll be able to understand and this’ll be the second time that, um, that I’m hearing it but just didn’t hear thinking and asking the next question, you know.
Gary Sheffler: 39:35 Well, one of them, one of the biggest things is, is is, is with the working out is every, every one of these sports and his balls at a feat technology. You know, all baseball players run balls of the feet. Even the Enfield is when they creeping them, they kind of balls to the fee. Everything, balls of the feet. So if you look at the strength train and what is it, it’s all heels down technology, right? It’s all, it’s all dropped through your heel drop force through your heel drop force drop force in the, in the Polyclinic drop force through to, he’ll explode out of the heal. Well, when you go on the field, you’re not doing that. So you train in the nervous system to do something that it’s not applicable, applicable in the sport that they’re playing. And that’s where a lot of the repetitive stress injuries and your hamstrings, your quads and all of this stuff is different because now you got to go and be, you got to react, right? You gotta, you gotta you gotta make these plays and be explosive with a system that’s not what you trained. So,
Geoff Rottmayer: 40:39 so, so when you look at a pitching motion, you know, we tell guys to drive the heel into the ground and to rotate into floorplan a this again, what you got to believe in.
Gary Sheffler: 40:54 So, so with the pitches, um, they kind of start heels down and then there’s a still going through their wound up. They start applying pressure to the ball on the feet, and the heel ain’t necessarily flat on the ground because what happens is if then heel stays on the ground, you can’t close your hip so you’re not getting any dry. But if you watch a hitter’s back foot and hit his back foot, he twists his off the off the off the ball of his foot in, in the, in the NIGOs down. But when that happens, it drives the hip forward into the ball. So you see these guys with great hips hitting bombs, right? And you see these pitches that come off the mound and got this long release where it looks like they’re actually walking towards home plate, but they throw in one Oh two one Oh three and all of that’s generating, they may start heels down, but when the force is applied and heels not touching the ground, and I think what’s happening with some of the hitting is if you watch P Rose, Tony Gwynn, um, and that’s what we did.
Gary Sheffler: 42:00 We just look at whoever did it the best and we watched their alignment. They don’t. They don’t, when they swing, they’re not opening the chest up and leaning the shoulders back into this big old swing. Those guys had stayed over the hips the whole time. They would drop the Shiro. What I did was I took the top like five hitters of all time and I broke down their swings and I got still picks up on that contact when they’re making contact to his is directly over there. Yes. The head’s not, the chip in the chest is still in, in the strike zone like, like, like it’s still down on the ball. We a somebody hitting instructors now of teaching this open this pull in motion and I’m gonna tell you, I think what’s happening is because so many athletes are not batching dominant and they don’t have the back strap that we used to back in those days.
Gary Sheffler: 42:55 They’re using almost like they’re throwing the hands instead of using the scaps in the end up in the thoracic back and all to drive the hand and punch in. They’re pulling more now because they don’t have, this district is different. So they’re getting results by that new open swing sometimes. But the thing is if you get a guy that’s swinging like that, you know, you, you do your homework on him, that might work in Paul’s ball. It might work in little league and stuff. But when you get to some of these high level high schools, what he’s do, the scouting, the pitches and the scouting, the hitters, they’re gonna know where to throw that guy.
Geoff Rottmayer: 43:36 So when we look at the traditional training, the, the goal is to get bigger, get faster, get stronger. Is that, is that the goal that you guys are after two, after you get this, uh, corrective, um, movement pattern?
Gary Sheffler: 43:52 Absolutely. Bigger. Stronger, faster. Yeah. So you, you bought you three times your body weight when you walk, right? So, so when you walk, if everything’s in alignment, you’re constantly developing that system. Well, if you gained 10 pounds, you’re still three times your body weight. And if you move properly, then you’re going to get bigger, faster and stronger. With weight gain and muscle development happens in the kitchen. It is a nutritional aspect. You can lift weight and you can entice it, but you know, you get a kid that we get a lot of kids. This is the thing, this is this, this is the thing. You need to look at how many 13 year olds, 10 ACL, 1213 and under. How many of them Ted ACL, it don’t happen. Right? How many of them when they 1618 start tearing their ACL. What’s the difference in their behavior?
Gary Sheffler: 44:43 There were in the weight room in high school you got, you kind of had to take a holistic approach and look at, I mean that’s what gold is. Gold is like, we looked at this guy, he didn’t get hurt. This guy did, but we’re not gonna do what he did. That’s crazy. DK Metcalf the receiver from a Seattle or whatever. He’s a biggest, strongest dude in the weight room, but he missed half the season already. He’s back now and he’s a freak of nature. That don’t mean you’re not a good athlete. It don’t mean that she’s not a good baseball player. It just means that you don’t move good and you, and you load your joints wrong. [inaudible] you, you create the possibility of injury.
Geoff Rottmayer: 45:22 So, so using an example of a kid that I recently got, um, he’s a, he’s 16 and he he the mast in terms of the traditional staff men, well he, the guy who has a D constantly had pain in the bathtub area of his hidden his arm and uh, it gives the misuse, I mean like all the time, all the time, you know, w what is that?
Gary Sheffler: 45:51 So again, the, the, the, the negative energies, you got to come out some ways, right? Yeah. So what I would tell you to do is look at his shirt off and look at his back. If you could see a shoulder blade sticking out in the back, like his scap is pushed back a little bit, you could see a little lump right there. Then his posture is wrong, fix the pasta and all of that trouble goes away. Yeah. I mean, it’s not just, it’s not just what baseball players, it’s with people in everyday life. Right? So got a kid that’s regenerating rapidly is if he’s not throwing a baseball, he probably would never fall, I feel, and it’s silly in his twenties or thirties. And um, well let me say 25 to 30. He won’t feel that until then because, um, that regeneration process of slowing down then he’s, he could, you know, it’s not, he’s not healing as fast. Uh, he’s not growing no more. So he’s kind of stuck where he’s at and from them shoulders being in the front chain from when he was swept, I’m not being corrected. They’re getting heavier and every, remember what I said, you three times your body weight when you walk, right? Yeah. So that shows us being pulled more and more into the ground. If you fix his POS, I guarantee you there’s no way the kids got to go. Pause. How old is he?
Geoff Rottmayer: 47:10 He, he, he’s 16.
Gary Sheffler: 47:12 16. Yes. So if he, if he’s a kid that’s, you know, they Snapchat and then they play it on their phone and they are iPads and now they got computers in school and he sitting all day and then he comes to you and he’s got bad posture and you go through some baseball mechanics stuff with him. He’s, he’s, it’s, it’s tough. So like you would want to put him in alignment and then, and that’s, we have a little trouble with, with that in the area. So we get these lotta, there’s a lot of specialized coaching. In other words, you’ve got pitching coaches, hitting coaches, DV coaches, retrieval coach. If those guys would be able to identify these three movement fundamentals that are not right, like say you took a, you said, Hey man, you need to call GLS or coach Gary and GLS go to movement systems in fix your shoulder.
Gary Sheffler: 47:58 He’ll be your client for life because you’re going to be the pitching coach that don’t handle body hurts. You’re going to be the hitting coach. I don’t have nobody pulling a hamstrings and stuff like that. So we are starting to certify coaches to guys that’s got, you know, little, um, hitting facilities or stuff like that. And then to work out facilities, we go in there and we completely overhaul the gym from equipment all the way to um, you know, and, and what happens is, is those guys are starting to get, um, are more and more staff and more and more protective.
Geoff Rottmayer: 48:31 So w with the, the uh, traditional training approach we have preseason and see them in off season, uh, that the same with your guy that the pro do your [inaudible] always the same.
Gary Sheffler: 48:45 Um, as far as the movement training goals, the, the, the fundamentals, all the same, um, you may have, um, you know, and that’s where the coach’s philosophy kind of comes in. Some coaches don’t lift at all during the season. Some coaches do. I know in track and field you don’t live, but you may still go through those squat patterns because your squad pattern is you’re landing and you’re leaving in your stride. So, um, baseball coaches, they may want to do all of the shoulder mobility work with some light expansion train. And like band work and things like that and leave the heavy lifting alone because it’s, I mean, the thing is, is if you’re in season and you’ve got a kid that’s benching two 25 hypothetically and he goes, what? You’re going to getting to 35 by the end of the season, that 10 pounds ain’t, is valuable is available at that point.
Gary Sheffler: 49:40 You know what I’m saying? Like if you, if you ain’t putting it on and off season, why you going to try to put it on now and in the end season. So, but the mobility issues, um, you know, the football players, people working out because they like to keep a hard body cause it helps with impact and stuff like that. Um, so, so, so that, my philosophy is when we don’t lift heavy at all, they’ll be here. I never squat a kid more than 125% of his body weight bench press and all is based off of the position. Uh, we do a lot of dynamic explosive bench pressing for guys that’s got a stiff arm or you know, baseball’s all quick Twitch five. So we don’t want to do everything. I mean if you get a guy that he could bench press three 30 but he can’t get his hands through the strike zone, that ain’t worth a crap. You know what I’m saying? So, um, you can’t, your workouts gotta be conducive to what you’re trying to do. So you got slow Twitch fibers, you’ve got quick Twitch fathers. I would continue to work those quick switch fibers doing the season with expansion training, you know, with band work and stuff like that. So baseball
Geoff Rottmayer: 50:45 and that’s, that’s continued upon the, the GotU movement corrective and being able to, perfect.
Gary Sheffler: 50:53 Yeah. We’ll see a lot of the alignment and movement stuff that we do. We teach the kids so they go home and do it. And then when they come to the gym they get the train, you know, and if as long as everything’s going smooth, we know if they’re doing their homework, cause I could evaluate them in three weeks and that Bobby is going to be in a different position if they not, then we make them go in the front. We don’t let them touch the turf. And if they don’t like that, they don’t really have to train with. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You’ve got to protect them when they can’t protect themselves.
Geoff Rottmayer: 51:25 Yeah. So what does that process look like? Is that like a 10 minute thing they do every day or what does that look like?
Gary Sheffler: 51:32 Yeah, it could be anywhere. It depends on the severity of the alignment or you know, if you’ve got an ankle full nation or it just depends on what you’re dealing with. But you know, the system removes formation and removed plantar fasciitis and removes valgus. It removes, um, you know, you know, any kind of lumbar thoracic, cervical spine issues and stuff like that. It’s, it’s all, it’s all caters toward getting you back to normal. And we’ve recorded between me and my business phone and we’ve recorded over 350 people. And that’s athletes, that’s regular people. I mean, we’ve got people everywhere. It’s from eight years old all the way up to, I mean, I’ve got up 62 year old therapists that’s in here working out with me.
Geoff Rottmayer: 52:13 So what’s the, and you know, again, I’d love to keep you here longer, but I know you’re, you’re a busy guy. You got people to Recode. So, so what they, uh, what they common myth, um, you know, we talk a lot, we talked about a lot today, so your whole pros can basically be you on. But, um, again, the common myth, but what, what the common men myth that you could debunk.
Gary Sheffler: 52:39 Um, so you, you all, you hear some people say that you can’t weight train or lift any kind of wait until you’re 14 or 15 years old. Um, if it’s being done properly, then you lifting weight every day when you pick yourself up, you know, if you’re adding something to it and the fetal that they belong in the inside ankle bones are high, but Neiman’s allowed the function, like the meaning supposed to function, then, you know, I don’t see it stuck in your growth. I’ve got 12 year olds that’s an he lifted with my college kids in the datum, most freakish athletes that are on their teams. So, you know, not listen, I’m not saying take a 10 year old and put a hundred pounds on the ball and start bench pressing. Sure. What I’m meaning is, is, is, you know, be reasonable about it. If they’re doing it right and they’re not hurting itself and you know, they don’t get up from the bar, everything’s sore then I really don’t.
Gary Sheffler: 53:37 I think that’s, you know, it’s being done right. Because what happens is, is if 10 kids go do it, five of them is going to get hurt because they’re doing something wrong. For sure. And then, you know, they say it’ll start to grow and I don’t know, I haven’t seen a study on it and I haven’t seen the study done on an athlete. That’s the other thing. All these studies and all of these, everything’s done on, you know, 60 year old guy that needs some money. Like who has a study on Michael Jordan and LeBron James and all of you guys, you know?
Geoff Rottmayer: 54:12 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right. No, I, I get you on that, you know, what, what would be some of the best resources that help you guys help you and your partner, uh, along the way?
Gary Sheffler: 54:24 If you’re trying it all have a slow motion video app on this phone fire. You gotta have slow motion video. You got to have a, Gilly had the ability to um, to go and look at different things that people was doing in, in Noah was good and what was bad. A lot of times you see people develop a system in parts of it as good, like some of the FMS stuff and all of these movements screams and all was okay, but it can’t be standard across the board because you take a movement, a static movement assessment. What if the guy’s hyper mobile? Cause hyper mobility could be as bad as being stiffed you. You, you know what I’m saying? So you get a guy that that can move super good, but he can’t run. He’s got duck feet, he goes up there and tears his knee up, but he passed the half a Muff test. You know, one of these function moves crew. So, um, resource wise, um, the iPad was the key to our success.
Geoff Rottmayer: 55:23 Awesome. So a couple more questions if I could. Um, if you were me and you were interviewing yourself, what would you have asked your style that I didn’t ask?
Gary Sheffler: 55:36 Um, that’s a pretty good question cause we covered a lot of stuff. I mean I guess once, you know from up from my side standpoint is, is, and I mean I’m sure you’re going to give defamation notice, but um, we, we naturally it is a business but um, we want everybody to know. So we want to, we want to do the certifications, we want to do the educations, we want to do personal recodes on people and stuff like that. Like in other words, we’re not, we’re not hard in the system until one of these baseball teams walks in and says, Hey man, I’ll give y’all $20 million to implement that system into, into, into Detroit and make us better when that’s not what we’re trying to do. We’re trying to protect everybody. So it is for everybody. We talked a lot about athleticism and athletes, but this is for anybody. Anybody that’s going to physical therapy, anybody that’s doing any kind of rehabilitation on their body. That’s, that’s what, that’s what this was for. So it’s cool. I think that’s something that we didn’t really touch. [inaudible] bye everybody.
Geoff Rottmayer: 56:48 Can you, can you talk about the certification and what it all entailed? You’re not kind of interested in it. My myself.
Gary Sheffler: 56:56 Um, so that the certification is a 10 week onramping program that happens through, um, we use different apps and stuff like that. We put that information into the apps and the, the coaches that are getting certified, they um, they constantly on the app and they’re getting the information and then yeah, they come into the gym, they come here with us for three to five days, whatever. Hi Belinda. The cert weekend is on a certain weakest and um, they get to go hands on with my athletes. They get to, uh, they learn the educational side of it from coach Gilley, Jose boss. And then they kind of get the exclusivity and the strength side and injury prevention from me. And we teach them how to Recode bad movement. Uh, the certificate location is, isn’t the time currently it’s at three grand and um, it’s, it’s, you get all the information, you get some equipment with it and stuff like that.
Gary Sheffler: 57:58 So that the next one we have is in February. And then they got one in April, February. They book enough. As soon as we put the dates out, farm people they call and they send them over their deposits and they, they lock it in. So we’ve done put probably about 30 people through to certification already, um, in the last year. And um, you know, we got people calling us all the time, every day, two, three, four calls. Um, the guy Cody wood, who’s actually a baseball guy, he’s a, um, he’s a therapist by trade. He handles the educational stuff online. Um, I think we’re going to start using Ricky stands. We, who’s a quarterback at Iowa, he’s go to certify now. He, he’s done a home but doing some of the educational stuff online too because it’s getting so big. We’re getting so many people. That’s just too much for one person.
Geoff Rottmayer: 58:49 Awesome. Gay. Well, where, where can we find you and learn more about you and your, and your go to process.
Gary Sheffler: 58:56 So you could go to GLS training facility.com or [inaudible] go to movement.com. It’s either one of them that if you just put in, go to movement systems or GLS Golda or you Google any stuff like that, you’ll see a pop up. We’re on every social media site. Um, ad go to local motion that go to Loco ad, go to, I go to movement coaching. We got all kinds of sites and then GLS training is the brick and mortar facility of, of what we, where the education system is based on us.
Geoff Rottmayer: 59:33 All right, Gary. Well, my head spinning a little bit. We talked about a lot of things and I learned quite a bit. Gary, thank you. And uh, keep up the good work.
Gary Sheffler: 59:43 Yes. So will do appreciate it.