Future Star Series and Program 15 with Jeremy Booth

Welcome to The Baseball Awakening Podcast, where we dive into the raw, unfiltered, unsexy side of player development

Guest Bio:

Jeremy Booth, Ceo and President of Baseball Operation of Future Star Series and Program 15. Baseball Analyst for KHIOU 11 in Houston.

Summary:

On this episode, Host Geoff Rottmayer sits down with Jeremy Booth and we discussed his Future Star Series and Program 1 5programs.

Show Notes: In this conversation, Jeremy talks about:

  • His youth days in baseball.
  • How playing multiple sports helped him in his development as a professional athlete.
  • Growing up around big league players.
  • Thoughts on the mental approach being taught at amateur levels.
  • His transition in scouting and how his playing career helped him.
  • What is meant to work hard?
  • What it means to prepare.
  • Who to trust when it comes to your development.
  • What is an evaluator?
  • The difference between tools and skills.
  • What he sees with today hitters and pitchers.
  • The value of the 60 times.
  • and more.

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Transcribe:

Geoff Rottmayer: On today’s show, we sit down with Jeremy Booth, the CEO, president of baseball operations for the future star theories and program 15 we’re talking about the environment in which he grew up. We talk about hip playing days with Youth High School, college and pro days. We talk about the world of scouting, the future of the game and much more

Intro: Welcome to The Baseball Awakening Podcast, where we dive into the raw, unfiltered, unsexy side of player development, get ready for some knowledge bombs with your host Geoff RottmayerWelcome to The Baseball Awakening Podcast, I am Geoff Rottmayer and today we are sitting down with Jeremy Booth CEO, president of baseball operations for the Future Star Theory and Program 15 Jeremy, how are you sir?

Jeremy Booth: Geoff, how’s it going man?

Geoff Rottmayer: I’m doing great. Jeremy. Listen, you know I’ve been a follower of yours for quite some time on Twitter and your Twitter handle is going to be the underscore Jeremy Booth as well as your program 15 and your future star food, both of which you had and, and I want to get into all that, but let’s just kinda start with your youth days and your playing days. They’ll kind of tell us a little bit about your youth day playing some baseball.

Jeremy Booth: Definitely a baseball. Yeah. I kind of had a little bit in school at Ucla law school. There were some, some friends of his, he had that attorney and a pretty good baseball players and need an agent kind of reached out to him and asked him to help them cause you know, the trust factor, right? Trust back from the relationships growing up. My Dad did that transpires from there forward was, you know, me growing up essentially majorly clubhouse and the beginning of a journey that it started with a group of baseball players that were headlined by guys like Darryl Strawberry, Eric Davis and the late Chris Brown and eventually Barry Larken and Frank Thomas and works Clayton. And there was something they used to do every year called program. There’s actually a documentary that came out a few years ago on Amazon. Now it’s on Amazon called Hartford Park. And that’s what it was about. Well anyway, these guys would get together every spring before camp and it worked out and they would have the structured workouts and, and they, you know, they condition and it hit and the pro and pictures, we’ll get your stuff to work in. And it was very much, you know, all right, accountability oriented. And, and I was the young beyond just one every day, one o’clock in the class we use, the crashes were guiding and getting out shagging fly balls. And it was, it was, uh, it was a rite of passage almost where they kind of stayed, you know, stayed with me to kind of pay forward with, they had it set up and you know, I never forget the first day I took BP, I was 12 years old. I knew it was never allowed to hit before I was 12 years old. And they say, hey man, get you back. I always took my bag just in case, right. And say, Hey, take him to get your bat. And the entire program stood out there and shadow and it was unbelievable. You know, when I was done, they went and they gave me some pointers on hitting and, and that was kind of my upbringing and it happened pretty consistently, you know, flash forward through high school. I had a pretty good high school career. It was all American a couple of times, et Cetera, et cetera. Well these guys at that time and left the under city Los Angeles to work out and he went to a place called Cheviot hills park. Why? What’s Beverly Hills High School? And Cheviot hills park was a mile and a half from my high school. They went there and he worked out every morning until I was done. We were over there and practice in the afternoon and it kind of made sure our practice was done. And the Chris Brown, he’s drive you home. And so that, you know, that that upbringing kind of stayed with me. That was the existence that I had and where, you know, I first kangaroo court was experienced with those guys in high school and my first, um, so even the year when they didn’t have a place to work out before Cheviot hills park, they worked out of Beverly Hills high and it was just very much of a pay it forward look or that look after you write lessons in baseball upbringing, you know, and that transition to college and eventually a minor league career, you know. And then all the way through the last about 10 years and then all the way into scouting where I started out as an area scout, the twins and the brewers, you know, it was fortunate to have had some good players and signs of big leaders moved up into cross checking and, and consulting anywhere from some pro work and special assignment work and seeing our affiliates and of course doing the regions that are assigned to and even Latin America stuff. I left them in 2015 and you know, decided to do some different sort of program 15, which is of course become the new basketball stars.

Geoff Rottmayer: Being able to watch every single day,

Jeremy Booth: my backyard basketball group, and I was the youngest. Now as you get older, you begin to appreciate fortunate, fortunate, you know, nature of that. That upbringing was, I was in high school and I saw how my teammates reacted to these games and I saw how they reacted to me in a way that was very, um, you know, well, like their family, they took care of me. There was a different level of accountability for me. And look, these guys are such great people and we make sense of themselves to the teenage, you know, they were there for those kids and this and that. But it was, it was a different situation with me because I was one of them. And as I got older and realized who they were, you know, it actually gave me more drive to succeed. I didn’t want to let them down. I want to do to be able to carry that forward and, and pay that lineage there. But the advantages I got, you know, from things like how to pick the ball up and how do you use your lower half and how does Katelyn certain zones and how to change your swing even at an early age when you to be able to adjust because certain parts, um, you know, based on a situation or a ballpark, which is all those things were ingrained in me from the time it was an early age. It was an unbelievable advantage and it certainly carried over to the path as a professional

Geoff Rottmayer: guys, how they go about their work. What was the dynamic like in high school with the other guys on the team, you know, being around you and watching you go about your business,

Jeremy Booth: the dynamic of keeping your head down. And they did it. They told me to um, embrace the things that I had done but never be satisfied. They taught me, he told me to take my approach and there was always a higher goal. They taught me that high school baseball was part of the path because these fall as part of the task if need be, but that’s all it was, was part of the patent and that it wasn’t the end game. So that kind of mentality, the appreciation for the game, the appreciation of what it was was really something that I just focused on. You know, I didn’t pay attention when the guys were doing lunch and it wasn’t that it was a, it was an ego or talking to saying it was just a fundamental foundation and taking care of your business. And I feel like it rubbed some rubbed off on, on my teenage know. We had a pretty good teammates that that’s probably a teenager went on and he can’t, he, Harvey was one couple years behind me, became an all star with the royals literacy in my school. We had several guys who play in the big leagues or rather professionally at the same time, if you guys want to head to me that played in the big leagues that were part of this kind of extended environment. So you know, some of that’s talent. Obviously, so that separation, but the mental focus and, and the way these guys went about their business was the big table.

Geoff Rottmayer: You got exposed to the, the mental part. And unfortunately a lot of kids don’t have access to that. So, you know, let me kind of jump ahead a little bit, but with your program 15 and what you’re doing now, you are hanging out with a lot of guys in the age group. This doesn’t seem to be taught or even a focus, you know, what, what are your thoughts on that,

Jeremy Booth: these guys to control this barrel? You know, Chris Brown was a guy who never really cried, you know, got arrested. He was a tough exterior guy, was really sensitive guy underneath. You can see that in the way he handled me and other people like me that he’s supposed to with some discipline and some focus and also some care. And he’s the same guy who told me it wasn’t good enough to be in the star in high school, had to be one you, he’s the best in the country. That was the goal. And the same point back at them, you know, if it’s correct or correct, any like a good uncle would put me in the car and took me home, drove me home. I mean that’s, that’s the type of environment that it happens. So we got those values aren’t there today. The earn it mentality and I think missing a little bit. I think we’ve entered into an age where we’d desensitize the big leagues for whatever reason because that was always the goal. And I think we’ve lowered our site’s a little bit and what the goal is, we’ve forgotten that nobody cares if you win a championship at night and that, you know, the, the thing that comes out of that is camaraderie when you’re 12 and 15 and 16 and the lessons that come from how to win, how to play well and what your, what your value, you can eat it with clubs are what we should take away instead. The trophy is the goal and that’s something that, you know, take some higher thinking in some ways to get away from. And I feel like, you know, art movement is better. Our movement is working back towards that. Um, because we are missing those types of ways to advance your thinking. It’s become about, you know, the launch angle instead of understanding that every story has a launch angle and it’s about how you get there. It’s become about throwing hard instead of realizing that guys throw hard anyway and it’s about how you separate and execute that’s gonna advance you. And those are higher level thinking. Things that don’t necessarily sell real well because they’re harder to cheap, easy to achieve those other things because they’re just result oriented, right. Can say an engagement of all on top of the cage and say, wow, look at my laundry. Can you do that in the game? Any game? Can you arrive on time and play in the middle of the field? And so I think those are the things that I was taught that we’re taught universally a little bit in baseball at the time that I came through it. We’ve gotten away from now.

Geoff Rottmayer: Right? I agree. Jeremy, were you a, were you a multisport guy?

Jeremy Booth: Do you want me to get hurt? He recognized early on that it was a problem sometimes with people getting up getting hurt I think is his deal with that was, you know, I’m a big kid. I’m six feet tall at 13 years old. That was six four by the time I was 15 was a man. I got a kid who’s got a chance to win baseball ability and I don’t want him to get hurt so I played freshman football ironically, went back for a little bit of football at New Mexico state before deciding to go back to stay with baseball season, started and play basketball through my sophomore year when my coaches in high school maybe make a decision because I’m playing varsity basketball and varsity baseball at the same time and I chose, I think it’s very beneficial for athleticism and for brain focus and for a million different things that come with it and let us CISM body life freedom just in million different skill sets that come from playing each game developed by playing football and basketball and baseball. Those are the three I stuck to was those three. But what happened was when this wall season was over, just I put the baseballs and bats away. It was about playing football. It was about, and it wasn’t about, I mean shoot me when I was a kid, I didn’t even pick up a bat again to be honest with you. And that really started in high school until it was time to play varsity baseball and I need to prepare myself, you know, about December. I could that up and I did it and then it was all right, we’ll hit a couple of times a week and play catch couple times a week cause you don’t want your arm to be behind come February. Right. That that was the thought process. It was never played 12 months a year. Um, and we don’t encourage 12 months a year here now, but playing other sports, it’s so vital to focus and energy and love of the game and skills that might, my dad didn’t have it any other way. I was going to play a sports.

Geoff Rottmayer: Yeah, I agree with that. Athletics, athletics is tend to be able to get away with a lot more things. But you, you were great athlete and you had the great foundation because the environment and then would you grew up in, you know, so did you, did you experience any type of struggles going through high school? What was high school, high school life for a guy with the athletics and the knowledge and understanding that you had.

Jeremy Booth: And there’s been a pretty good player a couple of years, a first round pick of UCLA or the high school by Toronto. Um, and so there were some standards that were set with some of the guys that were there. And our coach at the time was a big standard guy. You know, there were, there was accountability. He was also a football coach, you know, he was a teacher, like many coaches are, you know, and that really translated on the baseball field. So I got to campus and I played freshman football and I played freshman basketball. But the idea was that I was gonna play varsity baseball. And you know, as soon as I was ready I was over sports and they end up spending a year on mostly on Jv and work out the Varsity a couple of times and I was still switch hitting at the time. So I was really experimenting with different things. I should have, I should have mentioned that I switched yet because my dad wanted me to get the perspective, the other side of the plate tool to train my body. Um, by the time I was a sophomore it was varsity basketball, uh, and it was varsity baseball and there was a little bit of politics in the community about, you know, sophomore kid playing, you had a procedure. So I came out of basketball and it’s been a couple of games on Jv to kind of get my legs underneath me and get him to swing the varsity baseball and you basically, same thing in the guys around me. I had some success over 300 that year. Right. Some doubles. But it was, it was, it was really one of those things where I, you know what I’ve been, I can play with your kids and there some things. Then by the time I was a junior, you know, I ended up sending some records, 25 records at school at some state records, five 62 one year and finished second in the state behind Brad Fullmer. We’re at five 68 these are all things that sound cool right now. At the time they’re just numbers like you don’t realize, I didn’t live there, I didn’t live into it. There were guys around me that could flat out play. I grew up and it was just about baseball, you know, and when I became all state and cal high sports and won the league MVP, triple crown, all west side preseason, all American and those kind of a words, words were fun. It was fun. It was, it was cool being included with the top 33 kids in the country with guys like Scott over 10 and Paul Kinetico, Mark Johnson and that group was, was fun to be around. Jim Park K who was a former teammate back then and Randy Wolf and guys like that. That was, that was the network that was part of that group, you know, used to be my catching coordinator now. And he was obviously all American with USC vaguely career, you know, so being a high school that was kind of a circuit and everybody was in that circuit was part of that same group. So it was just, it was really about achieving within that group to you look left to your right, what’s your level two? You’re right man. You got guys who just flat out do it and it made you a better player all the way through it.

Geoff Rottmayer: Awesome. And now you’re heading to college. What was this transition like for you?

Jeremy Booth: That was interesting? The transition to college baseball, you know, it was the first year of the [inaudible] clearinghouse for me. So I actually signed a letter, tend to Lmu and went to our first semester I was eligible to play. And then right before spring season, it’s too, I yanked my eligibility for a math class that they take in high school. They actually never existed. They had been misread on it. And so I lost my freshman year of eligibility, had to transfer Cypress junior college in southern California, you know, was, you know, kind of get my thing there and play for a very good program with Scott Pickler, Bill Pink, him. Um, you know, James Keller who’s now a special assistant with San Diego and you know, Ron Hawke, singer who perfect players coach when we had guys like he’d get her on that team. We had guys like Akio hate on that team. That again, same environment. Right. And it was one of those things I went in there, played some left field and DH and played some first base my first year and on the bat it’s home runs and it’s damage, but it was a lesson about another reminder about, hey, you know, don’t leave any doubt, right. Leave no doubt in what it’s going to be, what is going to be yours. It was a little bit different after my freshman year. I didn’t feel like it was quite as challenging as that may say. But my sophomore year I was, you know, back to the same thing all league and on stage, you know, California junior college was all in or all state, you’re all Americans. So there was all those things and it was, it was fun and opportunity to sign with the angels after that, uh, the optical to New Mexico state went down there for a year and, and uh, you know, finish top five and the conference down there and then started my professional career. So it was, it was a good transition. It was life lesson learning for me, a baseball wise or scoop talent, you know, Marcus Jones and rocky Biddle and Dan Reichard, Detroit Blas and you know, against him, all the guys we’ve mentioned that you play against and so you’d be able to sharpen, it wasn’t the professional baseball focus that I’d had at the time, but again, it was a very good learning experience for me in what it took to be a student athlete, which today is the hardest job that I’ve ever had in my life was being a student here.

Geoff Rottmayer: Yeah, me and a student athlete, I wouldn’t have traded it for anything from called baseball to professional baseball. What would that transition like for you?

Jeremy Booth: Well, you know, so for me, I applied for free agency after the fall season of my senior year. I was 21 years old and ended up getting a concussion, hurt my ankle on the same day. The New Mexico state isn’t for me. And yeah, went back in and just focused on baseball if I have free agency and the commissioner denied it so I didn’t play my senior year in college and I ended up signing it with the Saint Paul Saints Time Gd true was going through his stuff from the commissioner’s office as well. Totally different scope by the way. But he was there and I was there and we played and that’s said I’m 21 years old and the youngest player in the Northern League, which at the time was, was a high AA low triple lately. And so now, now my exposure, professional baseball, his guys throwing 94 95 with plus breaking balls that have some kind of command and they know how to play, they’re obviously not superstars anymore because that’s the point of life they’re at, but they’re guys didn’t know how to play and so you got a 21 year old kid come and just out of the Big West Conference, which was a lot of really good tools, I guess guys know how to pitch and it took me a little bit of an adjustment, but another learning curve experience. It taught me a lot about the thinking part of the game and advancement and my career. After that, it had some good years, Mexico, a little bit with Spring training a couple of times with a couple of different clubs, Cafa band, Milwaukee, but I figured out early on at that point to about 24 years old when I had a good year that it wasn’t in the cards for me to make it as amajor leaguer. It was about grinding it out as far as they could playing because I had a job, I still wanted to do it and learning everything I could to transition to the other side. And so because of that, made some good relationships, um, the lessons of the past, once again, surface and how to approach it. And when the time was ready to transition, I knew it was able to walk away.

Geoff Rottmayer: Professional baseball, a different set of the, what did you learn about professional baseball while being in professional baseball and, and what did you learn that maybe even helped you into what you’re doing now?

Jeremy Booth: You know, a little bit, but that was reminded again how hard this game is. It’s not good enough to just be good about, it’s not good enough to, to, to excel in your bubble. It’s such a much bigger, in such a bigger game. It’s such a bigger experiences. There’s talent and if you want to separate yourself and you want to go back to making it yours and leaving, no doubt. I mean the work ethic has to be, you have to find new ways to challenge yourself. You have to find new ways to get better. You have to find different ways to advance. You have to refine the things that you’re not doing well and the things that you are really have to grow. And professional baseball for me as a player was a humbling experience. Somebody who had an amateur career that was a pretty successful, I think it’s fair to say that go into guys that were far ahead of me and how they knew how to play, not ability wise and raw talent. But Man, you’re 21 years old and you’re catching big leaguers every night, who know how to pitch and you’re playing on the flag came in independent baseball. At that time it was the Saint Paul Saints and you’ve got, you know, know guys who come out of that lead to go right back to the big leagues. That alone and usually baseball or my own days, mom, you know, he’s got to play. And so the experience about that was, was kind of an odd timing because I guess for most 20, 21 year olds, you’re starting to rookie ball or maybe you’re able to shut out of high school. And I had to take that. So it was, it was a challenging experience about how to go to the ballpark every day about how to prepare, about how to make sure you’re ready in the off season or how to find balance bus rides. And then of course, getting to the ballpark every day ready to play and the lessons that were learned there within the game. How to carry yourself a clubhouse, kind of shut your mouth to speak when you needed to. You know, the things that taught you can ability, uh, along with, can be watches and going to the ballpark every day and playing and knowing that any given night it could go before you don’t meet a whole lot. Can you go four for four? You don’t mean it’s another day. That was what that taught me was consistency, resiliency and humility.

Geoff Rottmayer: Nice. Jeremy thinks they work hard. You know, you been in the game. How do you define working hard? What does hard work mean?

Jeremy Booth: Yeah, working hard for me is about doing these things every day and it’s not always in the public eye. And matter of fact, most of the best work is done away from the public guy. It’s the work that you do with open, nobody’s looking at separation and you know, with us we have something, we call it Bartter of achievement, right? And the bar of achievement for me means when you set a certain standard for yourself every day, you can’t allow yourself to go through each and every day as a new level of setting another setting up one of the bar achievement. Right? And it’s something that we use with our players that we have something that we say to the partner programs around the country and something that I really believe in and internalized and, and you know, working hard to me is it’s about working smarter. It’s about refinement. It’s about challenge as about finding your way to make yourself a better finished product in the day began. If you can do that, then you’re telling me you’re working hard. It’s not for show, it’s not for, it’s not for visibility. Safra cat on the back. It’s purely for you. And it’s again, back to that mindset and how you approach it to do this, to play this game. And, and, and again, I’m not, I never play in the NFL or NBA or the Nhl or, or even, you know, any other sport. How there do this game uniquely. Uh, it’s a global game and there’s always somebody coming for you forget every time somebody cut, somebody goes out of the game, somebody else comes in and then somebody comes in, somebody else has to go out. And there’s only so many jobs and so many uniforms. It’s not promised to you. And so when people work hard, it’s when they find those ways to separate themselves and go forward, um, in dynamics that aren’t always awesome. You brought to lock themselves, if you will, in closet to find a way to emerge better. There’s a player right now, San Diego Padres, um, who’s in the system because the Piggly, it’s Josh kneeler. You swiped waterfall from one of our partner programs, you know Carol Jays and Josh, you know, I’ve always had a bigger, a bigger frame and a bigger body. Pick her body move on. Comparison if you can, if you can visualize it. That looks like, yeah. And you went to spring training this year is a family I know pretty well. It was the spring training this year looking like a shell of himself, every bit as strong if not stronger, every bit more athletic. But nobody saw it happen. You get it, but you did it by himself. He’d get it in, in places where he could hide and channel. What do you want to do? That’s working hard to me it’s not working harder for coaches. It’s not working hard for the camera is working hard for you.

Geoff Rottmayer: Yeah, I agree. You know, it’s more than the omen yourself and post it on Twitter and then now I’m grinding and working hard. So Jeremy, let me talk about the, the preparing part from the player’s perspective. Okay. You know, we talk about this all the time and we tell kids this, but what the beam prepared and having to prepare, what does that mean?

Jeremy Booth: You don’t have the best part about this gauge. Jeff has that unique and everybody’s gonna have their own process, right? Right. It’s not something that you can cookie cut and that’s such a beautiful thing for baseball because it’s unique that way. Um, what we do need to have, if you do need outlets in the standard to train against that bears out what result and, and, and, and skill refinement. Right? I don’t think we got, I have, we have, I think baseball’s a little bit behind other sports in that regard. It’s kind of addresses a little bit what we’re doing with sharing. But okay. For preparation is, is, is a morning tonight thing, you know, during the game starts in the house. She starts with the three series meetings starts with your pregame work. It starts with whether you’ve been in the gym that day and what you put in your body. It starts with your approach of the ballpark. It starts with the on deck circle, especially people, it starts with your pregame working VP. All of those things are part of the preparation while you’re developing your own process, your off season process, beach to your end season, are you, what time you get to bed, what time you getting up? What’s, what’s your, what’s your day look like? Structured blacks. Are you doing the time that’s required? You’re giving your body the right rest, not just like the rest of the right breast, right? Are you working for right to the right buildup phases. And so preparation is, it’s so unique but so but so uniform at the same time that they’re, there needs to be their standard. We’re players understand how to get some ready and how to be the best way they can pay unfortunately. And fortunately to love it, you have to embrace it and it’s all about what’s above the neck. You know, if you don’t freshman baseball tools equal out, there’s always a separation point. Tools equal out and people that advance are the ones that are, be able to, to, to channel it and process it and develop themselves mentally. It can be able to focus. When I was playing in a lot of guys like that, that same era, he got up mornings in the gym by eight each of your next phase of working out. You know, for me it was applied metrics agilities and fast, which you know, weight training after a static list. Then I went and got my swings in or I play catch and they’re going to be friends at work and then I hit blast and I come up to me three or four sets of clothes and I’d be done by five o’clock. Then I go home and be with my family and I go to bed. That was my training and my Austin and that’s my, that was my path. Some guys don’t need that. Some guys don’t need that, that enforcement. But to me when I see right here, you know what? I’m tired. Why are you tired right here that you didn’t prepare properly or even your lecture a little slower, why try something new? Or are you just not conditioned? And so I think that preparation is be able to answer all those whys and given her, so having the mental focus to push past any roadblocks,

Geoff Rottmayer: higher level.

Jeremy Booth: This isn’t a blanket statement, but it is, it is a common one. A couple of lessons a week is going to get it done and you know, a couple of swings off the tees. I get done and you know, it went to the gym twice a week. That’s not going to get it done. You know, you have to, you have to to work through it and you have to build up and we’re getting better with conditioning as a whole. So please, that’s again, that’s not a blanket statement, but um, you know, it’s not about the lesson. It’s not about that. It’s about the work you do when nobody’s looking work you do when you’re not with your coaches. I didn’t have, coaches weren’t around us in the off season with the care of ourselves. We have to be in the instincts and the Ma and they get back to that mental game was so important, that mental strength to be able to feel our bodies. And understand what we’re doing because we paid attention the rest of the way. You can’t prepare it if you don’t. If you’re not, you don’t know what you’re preparing for it and you can’t prepare. If you like video games all day or you’re not getting your rash or be out in the club, that’s not preparation, that’s party, that’s fun. And lots of times, you know, the preparation that it takes, there’s a whole lot of fun. You have to make it fun. You have to love to do it. If you don’t love to do it and you’re not willing to sacrifice and put the hours and need to be had and do the difficult work, do what nobody else is willing to do. I promise you somebody else is, and they’re going to pass you. So if you don’t want to be passed, you need to turn around and find your ways to get yourselves in different years. And that’s preparation and that’s just what it takes. And there’s no way around that.

Geoff Rottmayer: Yeah. Malware all bag. You know, rob bone and a handful of other guide. They’ve got the play or be at this high level on a daily basis and they all talk about thinking and doing things differently, finding things that work for them and sticking to it because the bait ball culture tend to gravitate toward the, the new within the hottest thing. And that’s not what these guys are doing. These guys are doing their own thing. They didn’t know. They know thyself.

Jeremy Booth: These guys are all looking for different ways. If he’s successful and it’s a desire that you can’t teach, unfortunately it drives it and it’s a love of doing the work or a baseball player, you know, good, bad or otherwise, or you’re a baseball scout or you’re an executive or you’re a coach, you have kindness, you’d identify with yourself, with the game because you immerse yourself so far into that. Hard to do. It’s an overused statement, but there’s nothing else you can do in this game are in this world where three out of candidates is great. We say it all the time. It’s simple and it’s not so not the first person to say that, but if he complete three out of 10 passes, he doesn’t win six Superbowls, 70 new 72 I’m going to do that. You know, you can’t, it’s just a different game. That way if you miss by a couple of inches or half an inch and a picture with what you’re trying to execute in a certain situation, you know, the kids would play. Look for that ball 15 rows back and that’s how good you have to be. You can’t just wake up and do that. You’d have to really find ways to separate yourself and challenge and focus in drought out 40,000 people and drown out, uh, you know, and, and, and be drowned out through the booze and drought, drought out to, you can’t send any level you play at, in professional baseball. It’s job, it’s a job. You give everything. You have to have two and otherwise, why do it?

Jeremy Booth: Awesome. Let’s jump to your scouting career. Transition light could beat them. My understanding of this conversation so far, like going to make the jump to this side of the business during your career. So how did the, how did that prepare you for the scouting that you eventually and still do?

Geoff Rottmayer: A lot of guys have a similar path and they’re kind of with their peers. Then it became something I realized it was, you know, like I said earlier on and my finished, it was over. It was just a matter of getting to when that was going to be and finding the right time. So I tried to learn as much as I could watch our guys good things. I asked my manager’s questions. I don’t, I don’t, with process I became much more process oriented, you know, and I guess back to the lessons that were ingrained in me on process, but you know, we’re cognizant of what I was doing. It’s called the maturity of baseball. And you know, when, when the time came I to leave, I just do one day where I want to do those eight hour days anymore in the off season ever waking up one day and I had a chance to actually go back to camp with an organization and I didn’t want to do it for what was my kind of my mentality well playing, but it’s just time to do something different time feeling that I had. Um, so playing the way that I did and being around people that I did, you know, wearing the different uniforms that I did was very, very fortunate for me and understanding how the front office make decisions, how managers make their lineups out, politics involved, uh, with the game relationships, how the club house flows, you know, just the ethics of an etiquette, what’s needed. We’re just so valuable at that time. So it’d be able to channel that was, was, was important to transition. So when I was done playing, I actually did a year as a hitting coach for the Sussex Skyhawks. We’re no longer around that. We named Him Sussex Minors in the candy, Emily Independent Baseball. And I did that and it gets some, some player procurement and evaluation for the hitters. And my manager at the time was getting Brian Draymond. He’s now the white sox and has been for about 10 12 years. He did the pictures and so we work together on figuring out how to evaluate and what was going to work where, and I didn’t understand what a two was or four was or six was yet, but I can, I use words like average and plus then I could use understand that as far as how stuff was going to work. So you know, we brought that in and events was just so different. The eyes were so fast. We’re spending a year doing what I was doing. It was clear at the scouting was where I was going to. Again, the twins hired me after that and Humana Foundation of scouting I got from Terry Ryan, like Radcliff the system they had built, you know if my supervisor’s Tim O’neill and Gary Johnson who scouting director along with some of the other people they have like Shawn Johnson, mark annoyed, Mike Ruth. Those guys were so great. Jack cow was so great in the education of what it meant to be an evaluator. It’s something that I just kind of had a feel for it and I do believe that the guys in the game to have that are there, they have an innate understanding of it has to be appreciated. I’m sure we’re not the only one who’s ever had that feel. You’ve ever had that lifeline in my, in my veins. There’s a lot of good evaluators out there who have done good things, but again, it’s about how do you separate yourself, right? It’s about how you learned how to process information and the transition from play into that role. Looking back while it was difficult as a player trying to fight through, I wouldn’t trade that for anything. Oh and training around that cross section of people. Um, and that, that upbringing in the game for, for anything in the world,

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Geoff Rottmayer: Okay. Yeah. Soso for Jeremy as an evaluator, for the people that are listening, can you talk a little bit about what an evaluator is and what they do?

Jeremy Booth: Well, an evaluator, if somebody who is, who’s making a decision on a player, and that means it’s a whole lot of banks, man, that’s, that’s identifying raw tools and that’s understanding yesterday and that can make, and that is trying to have to forecast what all of those things mean, what skills and how that’s going to translate to evolution of a player. It’s a what that’s going to be later on. Um, if a player is done developing right now, I would say he’s 18 years old. It’s time to move on. Yeah. The players don’t develop. You’re 21, it’s time to move on. Right? Um, from from the lens that we have a players developing the big leagues. Scott and Greg Warren who taught me something, he asked me a question when time you said you were sitting in Frisco, Texas doing AA coverage has to be, he says winds up player we feel we’ve done developed and the reality is scout evaluators, you’d have to be able to forecast all, you have to use all the information available to you. Objected what you suggest Nicole Analytical. Certainly now there’s better technology for that skew that um, there’s different ways of looking at the game. We need to be incorporated into what we do. And then there were subjective route. What you see with your eyes to complete the picture. They both work together. Evaluator six, all of those things into account to decide and define it. His best guesstimation if you would like to use that word. It’s educated, judge. No matter what information is in front of you, it’s an educated guess. What did it, cause there’s so many variables that go with that to figure out what are players going to be in the act to assign a value to that player, whether it’s college or pro and, and to watch that player or a team. And that’s what evaluators.

Geoff Rottmayer: Awesome. So, so with your program 15 you advised guys where they are at and what they need to do. So what age, if a kid really wants to play baseball and what aid that he need to start training differently and, and really start to develop?

Jeremy Booth: Well, you, there’s different phases of it know, developed it from, from the say the ages of eight to 12 is about playing catch and it’s about having fun and it’s about having success, right? Experiencing some failure. Those are all developing things could be developed, the mental part and it all through desire. It’s about playing other sports. It’s about being in your community. You only get one shot to be a kid. And these kids gonna be kids because there’s still, you know, the reality is 99.9% of these guys aren’t complaining. That’s a reality. You know. And so teaching them life lessons in this is all part of development. And so that’s part, um, and it comes to more refined, advanced development, you know, beyond the swing. You know what I mean? That can enter at any point want to play or tells you is ready. But for me, that’s really 13 years old when the transition to a bigger diamond stores. That’s kind of the area that we started. You know, in the Dominican Republican, Latin America, you start identifying these kids at about 12 and 13 years old. And while that’s really early for what we’re used to over here, the reason being is because bodies begin to change and players begin to, to show you more of who they can be and focus being so sharp and naturally as your brain begins to mature, right? So if a kid wants to play and he’s gotten better focus, you can see that you didn’t want to play, you can see that too. And so that is when you’re trying to really pick that up for me is 1314 and use evaluations with that for development advancement. Um, I’m a big proponent, had a conversation this morning with a club with a major league club and we talked about scouting and development working together, you know, years ago was a common thing that I don’t believe development works without scouting. And so what we have to do is we have to Scout, his job was to have that vision, did all this jobs to make that vision reality. And both sides are evaluators, but Scotland development needs to be progressive instead of instead of react and scouting helps that along. So he age, you can really start to put all that together. There’s 13 or 14, and then of course you can see incremental markers all the way up through whenever they, whenever they’re done, we’re going to reach your ceiling into what that looks like.

Geoff Rottmayer: How do I know who to go to, who to trust? Now what do I need to look for and understand how do I start the process?

Jeremy Booth: You know what I mean? Five years ago I would’ve said that’s the million dollar. Yeah, okay. I’m going to say is quite simply the $15 billion question because you know, it seems like every time I turn around and people are profiting on and a lot of people won’t say that there’s people on Twitter I have on you because I’m not interested in seeing what they’re saying. Here’s a gimmick. You know, you guys, we can, so we can talk about raw power and rob velocity. We kind of talked about it earlier and I’m backing up, backing into the answer this what you’re talking about raw power. We talked about velocity and that’s all well and good [inaudible] but if you can’t play, you don’t matter. It don’t matter. Cause otherwise you can get about 505 if you have a huge raw power. And if you can arrive on time in the game, man, I don’t mean anything. Just doesn’t. So you need to find when people were looking for who to trust, he doesn’t. You know, I would love to say resume matters cause I do think that the experiences that you play to get from a player and as a coach and a scout, the separate you because they’re advanced thinking experiences. There’s a lot of guys that can’t see the other side of it. And there’s a lot of guys that that can have never played the headache. I think that you need to get to find people. You didn’t really want to talk about investing your time and investing your money into somebody. Just really what we’re talking about here, it’s a how to go ahead and can advance whether it’s a program or whether it’s an, it’s a, it’s a, it’s a person. This person and program has to have your best interest at heart as a player. Otherwise there is always going to sell you short. It has to be about you as a player and your growth. Now it’s great to win with that banner. We have programs like North town, Scorpions, baseball and Trombly and, and, and us to lead. And it goes on and on right next to level. Tons of programs that work was um, we were fortunate to work with whose vision really is the player and they play under the banner and it’s about helping that player achieve and move on. It’s about understanding that you build tools first and then skills were fine along the way. And if somebody has an understanding of process, understanding of the value of a consistent hard contact or the value of consistent content at first at one point, and understanding what exit philosophy is really mean. Well that’s who you are working with. If somebody understands that, how to build arm strength at the right time, how to build a delivery and, and introduced a breaking ball, you can tell by talking to them. People don’t stay with coaches all the way along just because coaches are good at different spots and coaches are good at 13 and 14 cause some coaches are good in the big leagues and there’s a lot of guys in the middle, in between every good at those areas because they arrive at the right time. So when you’re looking for a development opportunity and organization and a person, um, that’s how you, that’s how you do it. You have to listen to what they have to say and watch them execute it. When it comes to teaching your player, things are going to get gain time results, not Twitter results. Game Time results.

Geoff Rottmayer: Yeah. Can you talk a little bit about what that means?

Jeremy Booth: Yeah, absolutely. So tools and thank you for asking that because that’s a debate that we have. Skills are entirely different. Okay. I heard somebody say the other day talking about everybody has the same skills in the big leagues and he talked about raw power. They talked about arm strength and he thought, okay, those are tools or baseball or raw power. Um, you know, our strength, the hit tool that you can hit. Those are five tools. Skills are the execution of those. Can you to manage your philosophy? Do you have a breaking ball? Can you pitch? Can you shoot the ground ball or a routine ground ball round? Can you track the fault, the ball down in the outfield? Can you throw runners out? Can you receive those were skills. Can you, can you get for power, you have extra base to extra basis. Those are skills, right? And you can’t get to skills without having tools, right? So you have to build tools first. The raw power of the arms do to build those things. The swing arm strength. You know, and it’s funny because we’re in an age right now where we’re talking about swings and throwing as hitting and pitching and it couldn’t be more different. Swinging and throwing is the foundation to get you hitting your pitcher. And so when you’re separating that things you’d like to say is tools get you noticed, skills get you contracts. So in the beginning side tools is what you want to focus on. Those five raw power, arm strength, speed, defense and uh, uh, hit a building, rebuilding together skills are how you execute those things cause he needed to build tools for us to get to the execution.

Geoff Rottmayer: You know, I hit her evaluate a header and you see a guy with great tools, but the skills, the approach and the understanding of how to hit part, you know, you could tell a guy, hey, you look good, but man, you have no clue what you’re doing. Well, what was that conversation like?

Jeremy Booth: Yeah, there’s guys that are in the big leagues on talent, right? It’s about how to play where you are or where you are before you can advance. And uh, we’ve gotten away from that in, in, in for several reasons and all of them are too, folks, too long ago it convey. But you know, some of it’s money, some of it is, is instant feedback and, and, and, and the have to have it now and tality. Um, but you’d have to pull a player aside and say, look, this is still much of what we’re doing and this is where we’re trying to go and this is how we’re going to get there. If the player doesn’t buy into that and the clearance is not going to get there. Right. And ultimately he has to look himself in the mirror. And I’m not saying there’s a one kind of see ended. Every coach is right about everything. But if you don’t have to ride a clear roadmap and the player can’t, can’t handle it and the player has to be receptive, communication is a two way street. You gotta be able to tell them and they got to be able to listen and they gotta be able to give you feedback on what’s working and you got be able to recognize and you’ve got to be able to adjust. And all of that is communication, presentation, understanding of knowledge and validity. Um, these are all things that go into it. And if you can find the right combination, you know, the true special player development people are the ones I have enough humility to look within themselves and to find different ways to communicate messages at different players that are never unique. Never going to be the same. They’re always going to be unique because no two players and say when you get to that point, you’ve done something pretty good. Well, you know the name program 15. When I started working with some pro guys when I left, you know, we go back to that story that I told you about how I grew up and so rather than I couldn’t use only one program, right? So I know what to call it, Game Guy, I’m not helping down. So for me that I called the program called the program and then to kind of carry it forward with their legacy, but put my Jersey number on it, which was 15 that’s where you get program 15 for program 15 is brains. It has to be personnel. It is the system. It is a formula, uh, professional experience development, scouting executives all coming together for one common goal. Two we produce and advance what would a progression major league organization looks like today for players, for the youth players. And we do that by working with different partner programs like the ones I mentioned earlier in many more that have organizations in their shape. So we don’t have, we don’t have, we have the personnel and the thought process to evaluate, to analyze, to bring things together. That makes sense. Um, to help players advance truly credible sources and truly progression. People that understand are always evolving to make things better. That’s program 15 what creation is a major star students and new balance has gotten involved with who? Star series and with program 15 to allow us to be, to name us be global player identification, development and what that means is that all the events have you balanced all the things that we do, our partnership, our partner, advanced people we work with and the ones we execute ourselves. These different phases are called the future starts here and it’s going to out for a couple of years. We, you know we found a program 15 November, 2015 he founded the future stars series in what became the, if you could start a series in March or February actually if 2016 and you balance gave us the green light in July of 2016 and Analysis September. So really only two years old with two stars. It’s sport science based. It is feedback based and his development based is progression based. We’ve been fortunate to have good relationships and peace and kids get to school. We were fortunate to have some first round draft picks and its employers come through our, our series that had been drafted from our signature event, which is called international week, a whole nother monster in itself. World players, SQS born players. And it’s kind of this, this amalgamation of these events and people coming together for something better as he’s truly brought to find to get parts.

Geoff Rottmayer: Yeah, it’s pretty cool. I remember when you started seeing half bath blown up. Pretty amazing what you guys are doing over there. And I got to figure out how I can be a part of this somehow, but the program 15, you know, you guys are evaluating players and then you’re giving them access to that, correct?

Jeremy Booth: Correct. It’s pretty comprehensive and you know, without giving away too much of the formula, the players get all this information, you know, we’ve got 25 majorly culture working with advising, you know, that’s pretty public knowledge, you know, static to say we’re the only ones they have that on any, it’s an easily clubs getting actively involved. Uh, you know, recently we started out working with Tyrone Brooks and the nasally, there’s one person, the pipeline, what some of their intern candidates to go back to major league baseball and take jobs and being organizations and progression that’ll start this summer with eight candidates that we have working with us and our scouts and our personnel. And some guys will be directly with me on, on how to do this. And it’s, it’s creating a system, a framework from dirt bag baseball and an impact, you know, baseball and, and, and those events to give our players a platform to train, to give players a platform to get better, to give them real feedback can actually have hands on, uh, development as a cohesive unit, not me versus you all of us together and have people help guide this both current and past it or doing something for a bigger purpose so players get all this information and provide for them just for participating in these events. It was the best part about it is, the best part about it is this stuff is all vastly discounted to what’s out there. Cause we’re interested in, we’re not doing it for a dollar. There’s a business component to all of this. Just like you have to have world. The world revolves that way and I think everybody can accept that. You don’t have to charge $800 for an event. You don’t have to do that. You can eliminate a component of society that that just can’t afford it and it’s got nothing to do with good person, bad person to Billy level. This can handle that. That’s lie. He’s got parents spend intentional thousand dollars a summer man and go do this, and if you’re in the upper 1% that’s great, but for 99% of all, it shouldn’t be a game where your paycheck decides if you have a chance to play or it needs to be a better way to do it and I feel like we’re finding a way to, yes, they get all the benefits of all of them.

Geoff Rottmayer: Program are the common thing that you’ve seen with hitters. What are the good in the end,

Speaker 4: the general approach trying to hit the ball in the air. Somehow we’ve decided that today we’re going to try to drive a long time and we both know that he wouldn’t get home runs and hitting doubles in the history of baseball. But I won’t say for a player standpoint, kids today are not strong enough for the most part, can hit home runs and a consistent basis. Their bodies aren’t responding. Certainly not what we’re teaching baseball and and Jeff, I had 70 pounds. I had, I had a lot series where I get the ball 500 feet, okay rog hour that God gave me to do, but I will tell you, I didn’t want to have a truly tries to these fault at least understand it mentally to drive the baseball. That was 23 years old, right? I didn’t learn it at 14 coach, probably my swing and my mental understanding to have the strength in my body to be that guy, but I was taught how to hit and play. You’re saying, I’m thinking about hitting the ball in the air and, and instead of hitting, and I say that at the same breath, I’m going to tell you the definition of a ball in the air. It’s simply a ball and not on the ground, right? That’s the definition of bond here on the ground line drives count. I’m illegal. You get to know more analytics. You get to my drives are what you want, right angle. And that’s consistent contact and that’s playing in the right part of the strike zone. And that indicates balance and rhythm and timing and vision and all of the things that you want when you can consistently hit lines, right? Homeruns will happen. Right? She kids today and players today focused on hitting the ball at the top of the cage and said, hey, the ball through the picture,

Geoff Rottmayer: right? Yeah.

Jeremy Booth: More awake approach to trying to drive the baseball. I know that sounds a little backhanded. Trying to do more with their body and challenge themselves to do more than that is a very good thing. It’s been a little misguided. Right? But the challenge of trying to get somewhere, you know, ask the kids last week in North Carolina, so how many home runs you got? Lifetime. He, I said, why are you hitting nine pop ups? So I’m trying to grab the baseball. So he intense to do something that is beyond just make contact is a good thing. And so it seemed more awareness of what, of what, what are the approaches misguided or not having. And that’s a really good thing. Positive part is that we do see an awakening, if you will, and young hitters largely because of the availability of information, good, bad or otherwise on social media to try to have a plan. And that’s a good thing.

Geoff Rottmayer: What about when we talk about pitching,

Jeremy Booth: man, I’m pitching, you know, starting with a good thing. Obviously, you know, I’m seeing a lot more guys give them chose value by creating the tool of philosophy. Um, that’s, you know, velocity itself and it’s, it’s something that immediately attracts you to it. Um, and so that’s a good thing. But again, be back to that misguided. See from a negative standpoint, I see bad arm action is blown out early. Um, I see the, the star, it’s just something they used to be revered. Um, you know, taking a back seat because we’re developing relievers because everybody’s just trying to throw her, I see the execution of the executing the fastball and durability and longevity going away and it’s almost like we’ve taken these good things that with long toss programs and band work and job’s and things that we can strengthen. Even even weighted balls. Randy Wolf and I played catch with a weighted ball 15 years old. It’s not a bad thing. It’s how we’re using them this wrong. It’s how we’re approaching them. That’s wrong. It’s the emphasis on that as the end all be all that’s wrong and we’re losing the art of pitching what we call a guy that throws hard. You call that good heading. That’s it. You got to throw harder. You got to take them off and you can execute. That’s a tough at that. That’s a tough day and I think we need to get back to developing pictures instead of throwers and we’re developing throwers now uncommon that pitching and that’s, that’s a, that’s a bad,

Geoff Rottmayer: right? But what the point of it though, can you share with the why the 60 time important and then kind of share, you know, how would the culture in general in terms of developing the 60s

Jeremy Booth: because it says, what does it really say? Well I’ll tell you what it says. It’s how fast you get to your top speed, how long you can maintain in baseball that you do at 60 yards in a straight line, not one. Yeah, you can do it on a basis but not a straight line. You need to measure other things within that. You have to understand why the six five six three matters, right? How the guys going about it and you know what? People need to train from the 60 you can’t just come out and run that. So you know, where are we seeing them better? Sure. We’re seeing some people, Ryan, but we’re also seeing is people not we’re, we’re else. We’re seeing Jeff is really concerning is something your scouting services out there guys, guys on a seven flat we’re calling a plus runner. Speeding. Yeah. Average Devin slide. It’s clearly not plus plus runner because we’re trying to oversell something, right? So because of that we’re losing the focus of what it should be. We measure several things within the six feet. You mentioned the 10 you measure the 40 and we measured the 60 and we use all those numbers because 10 tells us how fast you get to top speed of 40 is more of an applicable measurement for baseball really is and the 60 gives us the, all of the things I mentioned to you before. So all those things come together to give us a score. It was an understanding of what these kids are, all the players are really going and, and that’s things we measured because of training. That way we’re seeing improvements and all three times because the players understand that first step matters. Right? And understand that body control matters and understand the acceleration and and clarify. I understand that it’s just running, just running is going to give you the time

Geoff Rottmayer: bit.

Jeremy Booth: If you don’t have your eyes, you can’t get it right and you can’t play and you can’t pick up the target. And finding those things are so important. It helps you with the skin. It helps you with the read off the barrel. It helps you with your, Jody is the first step. It just really does. It says your brain different signals and you know we’re, we’re, we’re lucky enough to work with some people who have a pretty good understanding of how to evaluate and develop. Right? Cause it never evaluation for the sake of developing, not just for pure evaluation. So we, we, we have that, we make sure the vision profile is there so that players can sharpen the best way they can. And in many different categories, not just wanting to

Geoff Rottmayer: nice analytics. You can go too far either way too far. Either way. So what are your thoughts on the analytics?

Jeremy Booth: It’s been around for a hundred years, you know, and then the way that we look at them today is different because of evolution. I think if you’re trying to build a club or build a player and analytics alone, you’re missing the boat you’re trying to build. Again, same conversation today. You can give me all the numbers you want, but if I can’t translate them to a player that makes sense and I can’t teach him the right way to execute. It’s useless human component in this game. You can’t get rid of it. So I think that we have gone too far one direction when it comes to that in some ways. And one of the biggest concerns is watching people who are analytically inclined. So people who were baseball inclined first, they don’t know they’re talking about. Right. That’s, that’s absolutely baffling to me that you can give somebody a platform and a game is going around, by the way, a hundred and whatever vendor 30 years before this really showed up, or 40 years for these showed up. Um, that what happened friend or 40 years and need anything. Yeah, that’s ridiculous. On the other side of it. If you’re a baseball first guy, to not understand how to evolve and grow and open your mind means you don’t have any humility and this game is a humbling game. If you haven’t been humbled yet, you will be. Yeah, it’s just, it’s the way it was, the way it works and this should be able to take that step and politically, all of that said, I think is necessary. I think it’s been done. I think they exist to give you a deeper look at the individual player value. That’s why they exist. It’s a deeper look into individual player value and taking that value and making it reality for your benefit is only going to help your club and it’s only going to help your players if you can do it. If you just rely on say, here’s the data, go for it. Yeah, it ain’t gonna work. But if you do it the other way, I think they’re valued.

Geoff Rottmayer: So if I’m listening to this and say, what number do I pay attention to and what do I want to develop? You know what? What’s your advice there?

Jeremy Booth: Why was I would try to develop the things that show me value. The raw score. Will you guys are, velocity has a sexy, sexy right now? Well, exit velocities, a raw score. How does it play in the game, right? I want to see numbers. That’s Shoney gameplay. I want to see hard contact and run production situations. I want to see execution with my basketball person, so I want to know how much I’m chasing, how to zone. I want to see reaction from a hitter. How do I improve that? Acceleration and deceleration in the hitting zone. Those are the types of analytics and numbers that I want to look at. If you do those things correctly and exit, speech and velocity take care of themselves, right? If you train for extra speed and velocity, you lose the other party and so if I’m a player and I’m trying to train, I want to do things and show me real value because the rest of the parts could take care of themselves. That’s what I’m looking

Geoff Rottmayer: in general you in the near future.

Jeremy Booth: Overall, I think the game is, isn’t a good place in some ways, you know, to get away and off shit. You know, I do analysis on TV for cancer, you in Houston, which is the Astros and the games that are in a good place, you know, the roles have changed a little bit and that’s not, that’s not necessarily a great thing. You know, we see pictures going through and multiple transactions and um, happening in a way that we didn’t see it before because we’re developing different overall from an excitement standpoint, I think we’ve, we weren’t immediate place. I think a lot of fans will love to see better pace of play. And what that means is, are we making more cons that are gameplay oriented instead of waiting for a strike out or a walk or a home run, which, and of course the three, two outcomes of analytics, right? So I think we’re in a medium place overall. The future of the game is about to go back the other way and it’s about to get a lot more fun. I say that because all of the things we’re talking about that and missing today are about to come back. Baseball, his course corrected for a long time. Every time you know, people get on board one direction and the entire entire industry gets on board, somebody else is going to go the other way. That’s how we got here in the first place is going to find a different route. And I think that what’s going to happen now is it scouting is going to have more of a value. Subjective scouting makeup is going to separate and the game play part of it’s gonna be so, so much more valuable. Not Historical, but the predictive part, right? Because people need to get, you’re going to get paid and you’re going to advance on what people think you can do, not what you’ve already done. History, pan history over if it puts a component, but what you’ve already done within those games to deeper look is how you’re going to get contracts and how you’re going to get paid. And I think when the game gets back to that spot where they were in a good place for the program. And for the series here, Jeff, I’d like to think we’re, we’re, we’re, we’re aggressively at the front of the people that we have here right now because of the way we’re tying all this together. I would like to believe that we are first and foremost putting a program like that together that develops the stars of tomorrow. What’s a proper mindset? You can’t do that by yourself. You have to do that collectively. And again, we’re fortunate to have really good partners both in sponsorship with new balance and Sanger and torched eyewear and g form and motis and all the partners that are making this and Phoenix sports and our own people that are making this um, you know, making this possible media coverage. We’ve gotten the relationships and desire to make something different is really is it’s catching like, like, like fire. So you know, this is a good thing. He can bring that together. That’s great. And of course the major league clubs support who is actively in those offices guiding us with what uh, guiding me with what they want to see, what their feedback and how to tie this together with my own expertise is creating something that puts us at the forefront of these changes. And that’s exciting. It’s an exciting time for players. It’s an exciting time for evaluators. It’s an exciting time for the dollar people. It’s exciting time for baseball as a whole.

Geoff Rottmayer: That’s awesome. Jeremy, I don’t want to take up too much, but learn more about 15 in the future. Sorry, what’s the website? How do I find information?

Jeremy Booth: Twitter, social media website, right to the west side is future stars series.com. It’s readily available anywhere you can find from anywhere from the teachers’ star stories.com and obviously Twitter. We have three Twitter handles. Uh, we have a two wheel, one for program 15 that’s at program 15. Bebe future stars series is at Ftr, s t a r s series. And then mine, of course, if you want to follow me personally, it’s that underscore Jeremy Booth and you can find information all of those places on our partner programs about how to get involved in, about how to be part of serious.

Geoff Rottmayer: Awesome. Well, Jeremy, man, I can pick your mind all day long, my friends, but I’ve learned a lot, so thank you a lot for coming on,

Jeremy Booth: Jeff, I appreciate you having me, man for shoot the time and the interest in what we’re doing, man. Thanks very much.

Speaker 1: I am Geoff Rottmayer and Thank you for listenting to our conversation on The Baseball Awakening Podcast. Stay tuned for our recap show sometimes this week.